The way that they phrased it was that they would pursue criminal action against anyone who posted material before they had a chance to confirm it as authentic or deny it since they were just so busy. If they could get everyone to go along with that, it would be very convenient for them. Just never confirm or deny and then threaten suit against anyone who posted material from it. Totally suppress the material with no effort. I don't think they can get away with that kind of suit. We never posted actual material, only repeated the report that it was out there.

Ted

I love how the NY Times printed the full warning from "Heartland" telling all activists to remove these documents from their web pages, and then posted a link to the exact pages in question.

LOL, One of the main warning signs that you are dealing with corporate sponsored foundations (beside the homey and super patriotic names like "heritage" and "heartland") promoting psuedo-science is the use of the term "Liberal Media"

As we all know there is no such thing as a Liberal Media. The mainstream Network News is fully corporate owned and censored. Most of the time we get nothing more than "fluff" or "Infotainment". But every now and then some Real information trickles through. We just need to know how to decipher the "doublespeak" and unravel the "SPIN".

I have been finding important information between the lines (or buried behind the obituaries) for years.

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Is this a matter of connecting dots of previously gathered information and integrating it with the new information of the obit ?

Its more like connecting the dots. And about the need to DIG for information, with the way our "news"papers have a habit of hiding important articles by printing them in tiny boxes and burying them in the middle of the paper. I remember reading an article on the genocide occuring years ago in Rwanda, and being amazed that it was a tiny little article hidden in the middle of the paper, while the front page was some trivial (celebrity worship) information. I noticed the same type of thing happened during the war in Yogoslavia when there was an ethnic cleansing. And it happened again during the Bush administration whenever there was an article about "Blackwater", and reports of mercenaries in Iraq.

Our Corporate controled Media and government feel its necessary to insulate us from the truth (especially the ugly truth) But I am sure that they feel its all for our own good.

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If media were controlled by an individual (Murdoch?), it would reflect the consciousness of that individual...corporate/group control only means that it's intent is directed by a group, guided by the group's mean consciousness - I don't think there is anything inherently bad about corporations other than the issue of them being more effective, and effectiveness makes their entropy more visible

I agree that we all should accept that the news in commercial media is "what is printed in between the ads", and its primary purpose is to entertain and attract eyeballs toward the ads, to make money and keep the doors open, and its secondary bias is to reinforce the values of the ownership, but as well its employees.

entropy and low entropy, play out in all individuals and institutions...trust me, government-controlled-government, is much worse than corporate-controlled-government

when government is actually controlled by voters, most of whom have a 2 month planning horizon, the decisions of government start to reflect the two month planning horizon of its "controllers", which translates into short-term-gain-for long-term-pain thinking. Greece is a free-home-demonstration of the long term pain aspect of short-term-gain thinking that economics and finance predicts.

so be careful what you wish for

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government-controlled-government, is much worse than corporate-controlled-government

Governments are supposed to be responsible, and finally, answerable, to the governed.

Corporations consider themselves, by design, answerable to nothing but 'the bottom line'.
That is their only rule, and they visit their soullessness on everything and being that they touch.

I haven't looked into it, but it is a near certainty that the problems in Greece, as with many areas, are primarily a direct result of corporate predation: they take and take and take and there is less and less to meet the needs of the people, institutions and communities off which they feed.

Yeah, sure, it would take some work to ferret it out and 'prove it'.

But hell Randy: You choose to remain willfully ignorant of Monsanto, pesticide, and GM dangers. ... and do what you can to cloud all social issues with bureaucratic stuff n such obfuscation. Certainly, it is not unreasonable to expect you continue with the same behavior.

So, now you get to hide behind locked doors, fearing teen-agers, whose sense of community is not immediately distinguishable from your own.

...puts a fresh turn on the phrase "Where ever you go, there you are!"

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It appears that the Himalayan glaciers are not melting in fact, despite high level reports that they were. This article reports on research that also shows that temperature fluctuations, warming, was observed at the close of the last previous interglacial period which were certainly not caused by human activities but by natural but unknown quirks of the transition from interglacial period to glaciation again. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/03 ... en_before/ Randy, you are ahead of the trend by moving to South Florida.This is the first statement that I have seen any time recently that dares to state what I have been speculating about. That we are due and really past due for the end of our present interglacial period has been my intuition and that we are going back to the normal pattern of glaciation for the next 100,000 years or so. That all of this global warming talk is just that, talk and political correctness.

Ted

All of the data 1oo.ooo years ago did not include the effects of the industrial age. The warming may be a natural cycle, but i do think it is probable that the stuff we release in the atmosphere contributes to this in a negative way. In the last 100 years our technologies have created a lot of negative side effects for the biology in play here. It is up to us to dig out the cause of the effects in play in our rule sets, global warming being a big effect when you consider it is the air we breathe. Just some of my thoughts on this on going debate. Sabby

That is the point. Global warming, based upon scientific studies, occurred at the end of the previous interglacial despite the fact that there was no industrial age and pollution to cause/be blamed for global warming during that interglacial period. It appears to be a feature of the instability of climate as this transition occurs. What it comes down to is we don't know. We will just have to wait and see.

Ted

I do agree it is a waiting game, i hope we can figure it out one day. Sabby

This is a familiar conundrum it seems. The issue of "climate change" being man made or not is a confound. Climates change as that is their nature AND what industry using toxic chemicals and materials doing to our environment is wrong. There isn't anything but adapt to do for the first part BUT there is a bunch we can do to stop dirty industry small or large. I've run into this same conundrum (love that word hope it is the correct choice here) with the birth control issue in the news. Why does it have to be free? Everything else has a co-pay and IF you have insurance birth control should have a co-pay AND there should be free clinics. I think them throwing in birth control being free is a confound.
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(Since this topic was brought up again)

"HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012. 49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question." http://sppiblog.org/news/former-nasa-sc ... e-position

This propaganda letter prompted a great response by author of this blog: From a boy who loved NASA: How 49 heroes lost the right stuff and sullied their names over climate politics It de-constructs some of the propaganda so many people seem to be affected with.

An interesting graph from the article linked above:
The part I find interesting is the temperature fall off after 2005 which should not be happening and they are constantly commenting about rising temperatures during this time since then when the observed world temperature is actually falling. More time will tell what is really happening.

Ted

Here is a very extensive and complete report on the potential for abrupt climate change. Title and particpants were as follows. The book is about $50 but is available on this link for download. http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn= ... 347&page=1 PDF versions in whole or in part are available but there are requirements to do so and the book can apparently be viewed on line. I have not looked at this at all other than find the resource. I do bring this to your attention from their Executive Summary:In other words, those who preach global warming as the certain future.

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute has a very good page discussing in much shorter form the potentials and uncertainty of abrupt climate change. Here is the link to that part of their web site. http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=83339&t ... &cid=10046 The title of this page is: "Are We on the Brink of a 'New Little Ice Age?' ". Their concluding paragraph:This page is certainly worth reading if you do not care to invest the time and effort into the first reference offered above.

Ted