I tried getting Charles Tart's view on MBT but he seemed totally uninterested. His comment was that he doesn't understand quantum mechanics. I then asked if he knew someone he trusted that could read it and inform him about it. Again, totally uninterested. So, my question is, where are the other big researchers in this field? Tart, Radin, Bem, etc are all looking for a theory to explain this stuff and MBT seems to explain it, but I don't see anything about a dialogue going on with them here. Is it all in the background or in other venues? Perhaps they're all too busy with their own research looking for a theory. Is there a way they can be brought into the discussion? Perhaps if forum members emailed the other researchers asking for input maybe they'd see a trend developing and start to look into it.

Most serious academic researchers have their own viewpoints and problems related to tenure, research money, infighting and jealousies of academia, university politics, graduate students, teaching hours and much more that I know nothing about. Not to mention closed mindsets. Not to mention ego and the desire to be the one who makes the big breakthrough entirely on their own and without help or glory sharing with others. Nor to mention simple matters of time available as I even, as retired, have conflicts of time availability to cover all the bases. Non academic outsiders are not necessarily of interest. I have written to more than one whose research indicated a potential fit and the possibility of interest. Tom has contact and has had input and discussions with at least one researcher, Dr. Whitworth who is a mathematician writing about virtual reality and who listed Tom as a reference on his papers. I know little about their contact. Of those I have written to, none have responded. These are not unknown ideas and Consciousness is considered more and gradually in science. What will be required to reach a tipping point, I do not know. Mostly time and patience, I suspect.

Ted

Ted is right. I feel that time and patience will allow more and more individual people to "pull" the truth out of the larger consciousness system to allow easier understanding by those in "higher levels" of Science. The pieces of the puzzle will fit together with more resonance as more of humanity "knows" and understands how reality functions on a being level. :)

I believe you have to get'em when they are young, before they lock up their world view and throw away the key, which means targeting grad students at the top universities.

One could start MBTOE "bookclubs" and those clubs could host Tom to speak or organize promotional displays, on the model of University religious clubs.

One could gift book 1 to every graduating MSc and PhD student in physics as a twist on the Gideon Bible model.

One could set up an occasional booth at the entrance of physics departments to promote the books, or put up posters on grad student bulletin boards.

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Personally, I am a bit confused as to how the simulation is supposed to work, if it becomes widespread knowledge that it is indeed a simulation, unless perhaps, this is the grand purpose and betatest we are about to experience. It would make more sense to me if the true purpose of MBTOE was to provide cognitive relief to those who already half know it and are in desperate need of a model.

Pushing the model on those not ready for it, at a level of insufficient uncertainty, seems to me to have the potential to trigger a mass psychotic breakdown. This points possibly to gently putting this out there, and being satisfied that those that need it, are ready for it, can find the information, and being decisively detached when there is resistance. This does not represent Tom's view on this, which is that the model must become the established view of the scientist priesthood and then guide world affairs.
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if world leaders were to accept the model, does this point to wars of focused intent...like Tom vs some Voodoo curser scaled up to armies of meditators?

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I once emailed Dean Radin, he responded that he was aware of Tom's work and he have a copy of the books. He also found the ideas useful.

It seems common that experimentalists leaves the theoretical to the theorists and vice versa, that is probably one of the answers why specifically the PSI researchers are seldom seen discussing theory and the framework for their data.

In the meantime, lets carry the message to people that they are apart of a much bigger reality. And they have much more power in their life (evolution), than they think they have. Tom i think is the leader of the pack, in his theory of how reality works. Most of these other people are not near as buttoned down on a stance, they have there experiences and truths, but most will not come out and say, hay, this is how reality works. Fear, ego, uncertainty, whatever the reasons who cares, the cats out of the bag, and there is no going back. Sabby

I started my PhD program today having had many classes from my MS program transfer while at the same time only having enough financial aid for one class each term for a year, three terms. I am taking Biopsychology now and probably taking "Teaching Psychology to adults" next term. Just saying.
Love
Bette

ps I have access to the academic databases!

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We are off the captain shouted as he stumbled down the stairs! My very best wishes on your new adventure.

Ted

Thank you Ted, as always.
Love
Bette

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A point about Toms research, his appereance, and his method. I have a friend who always has been sceptical too everything "paranormal". I tried too open him up too some of Bruce Liptons work many years back, but he dismissed it when Liption dug into "the spirit" in his book "the biology of belief". He's also a doctor, and very bound to PMR. He has a classical perspective based on the type of doctores stuck in the old paradigm. Until recently. I showed him Toms work, and he got right away interested. I noticed a new attitude in him. Most of this came from how Tom has choosen too present his work, paired with his background, and his down too earth, relaxed attitude.

In this my conclusion is that Tom is reaching a new audiance others will struggle too reach. Even when they talk about the same thing. And this is brilliant. I got really excited when I noticed this change in my friend. Because he was one of those hardcore, down-to earth-its-dark-when-the-lights-go-out, kinda guy.

In this, too get this on track with the threads theme, I think there will be more communication amongst professions and different diciplins as time goes by. It seems too be good that people at the moment are working hard with their own theories, since in the end they are talking about the same thing, with different words only. All of these different perspectives will reach alot of people, and I think its good they spend their time finding the best way too communicate their message. I think this is maybe part of the social growth, and as time goes by there hopefully will be more dialouge between reaserchers. Im seeing some of i in some other areas on youtube already emerging.

Further evidence as to why it is important that people such as myself who arrive via religious or spiritual pathways adopt Tom's non-religious, non-spiritual language, form and style as quickly as possible, so that when a white-coat passes through, the feeling of the place is comfortable for them. I count myself as guilty in this regard.

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Great to hear, Bette.

Keep On Truckin'