Fred what is Tom's description of Reality?

Please, Ted, do not get into a pissing match which I can only assume is done between two males to see how far each can go. You know what I'm saying correct? :)
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Bette,

I know that I will only allow Fred, as has been with others in the past, to go only so far down the path he is following and which others, now departed, have taken before. He is very close to goodbye. He is not so dense that he does not understand what he has been told and by more than one of us. He is just trying to brazen it out and try to obscure what is going on. I just want him to make perfectly clear to the board that he has no interest in doing otherwise than he is and that he has chosen this path.

Ted

Ted I am not the least bit afraid of you, you are nobody better than me, what you say of me applies to you also you just do it in a different way. For some reason you think you are in charge of our freewill. I know you use that handle of fear to try and control, especially the new comers. That my friend is the major problem in this reality frame, I just hope people will not put up with your idiotic control, if you would just let things run there course and stay out of it this forum would be in accordance with MBT concepts. But oh no you have to show everybody who is boss! Talk about ego man you are full of it! You are associated with a brilliant scientist and a forum administrator, and now you are somebody! it has gone to your head! I have not been vulgar or offense in anyway, I share my truth as best as I can and get a few egos brewing, yours included and now I am some kind of threat! Talk about me not being in sink with toms message is a joke! Fred

Goodbye. You have e-mails available. Let me know if you rethink things.

Ted

If I new I would go the rest of my life never taking a drug again I would cry. Drug taking is a part of the human experience. Not all drugs are dangerous. Tom's argument that drugs are basically a waste of time doesn't impress me very much, television watching is also a waste of time, everybody wants to escape sometimes.

My two cents.

I have a ZERO tolerance policy on ZERO tolerance ;)

Adam

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Yeah my mentor used to say I will not tolerate intolerance. :)
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Tom doesn't say that taking drugs are a waste of time. He says that chemicals that effect your brain chemistry - be it caffeine, sugar, or marijuana muddy the clarity of consciousness. For those who wish to explore consciousness outside the most basic functions of PMR it is something to think about.

I agree with Tom that drugs are a bad idea in general, the guy that started this thread i think did not want to entertain the idea that some drugs could help some people expand their reality, but other than that i agree that drugs are of little value in entropy reduction. The sugar and other things in foods that Tom talks about a lot in detail, do have i think a pretty big effect on our consciousness, as far as this o tolerances i think that would be almost impossible living in this western society. I guess it would be a good mark to shoot for. Sabby

Hi Sabby. I disagree. Since I have a clean date from methamphetamine of 3/21/97 without drugs I wouldn't have made that choice to stop meth which allowed me to have an Into Consciousness Experience around 2001 ish which was a good bit of data to have. You cannot choose not to use hard drugs if there's no choice.
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Bette. I am glad to hear you made something really positive out of that drug experience, so many people do not, some people use different types of drugs to achieve alter states of consciousness it may work well for them. I prefer to go basically the same route as Tom follows, anything that fogs up my mind including a lot of food products i try to avoid. This works well for me. again i am glad that experience helped you to expand your reality. Sabby

The book I mention occasionally has an alternative Reality starting with the same rule-set. In it when the disconnect from the LCS which they gets info from is interrupted by the slight thc in the hemp they find a way around it although that doesn't mean another group in the story won't use it that way later in the story. :)
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Bette, i think you mean doing some thc can be a challenge in PMR that can be helpful, for me this would be a bad idea, i look for other ways of lowering entropy, which include and start with, staying away from anything that will fog up my consciousnesses, i find this has no side effects and works like a charm, i too tried the other route and found out i was going nowhere but down, from that feedback i learned at a being level, that was a bad idea for me. We are here to learn and grow from our experiences, and hopefully reduce our entropy, and the feedback is here just for that, i find Tom provides a very good model to follow, and i am in full agreement with him on this issue and many others. I like him suggest to other people to find experiences that best suit them. We all live in our own personal reality, and it is up to us to choose from the feedback. Good luck on your book. Sabby

Sabby that's not what I mean at all. I said in the book I am writing they characters discover hemp AND are very connected to the LCS which they lose some of their access to when harvesting hemp the first few times before they figure it out. It's a book I am writing.

In real life Medical Marijuana is real.

Also in real life Medical Marijuana is one way, the only way so far, to bring my son with autism INTO this PMR enough to really interact and Love others. It is also probably the most normal thing in his life for his age group, 23. And my age group, 52 as well. Marijuana is a choice just the same as having a beer with dinner. Now the leaves they make cocaine out of have to be processed and all sorts of chemicals making it a hard drug which is a totally different animal. Judging others by judging a thing bad because of limiting believes is not unconditional Love at all. It is time to stop harming our society with the stupid laws that are simply moral BS and a way to keep drug wars going. I'm an activist. You happen to be wrong and judgmental because of personal belief pot is bad. Have a nice day.
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Bette, i explored this forum and read many topics long before i started posting anything, the main reason i post anything is to learn about me and others, the nature of reality if you will. I knew from the start that my views might be to far out for some people to accept (feel okay about), I try never to condemn anybody for their views, but i do perceive the data stream i am getting as honestly as i can, some would call that judging, i am okay with that. I have no problem with what people think of me, that i think would be theirs. I wish you and your son the very best, and again good luck on your book, Sabby