Another viewpoint on the idea of images and 'breaking out of boundaries'

The connection manifesto download
http://connection-revolution.com/manifesto/

Has anyone ever warned you that you have a propensity to think that relatively superficial concepts are marvelous and deep? To be caught up in relatively trivial ideas? Too easily impressed?

Ted

Yep! You have :) And yet what is superficial lol, are you sure that talking about a core concept in vague terms is better or worse than getting straight to the point? If the round about approach confuses, than maybe it is a good way for some people. The round about approach tends to get one thinking hard, while the straight to the point is like a rigid jacket sometimes. Maybe not for you, dude. Also, the superficial for one person is new for another, or maybe for the other it isn't new but he hath been avoiding it so far ;) Clearly if you already know it you're going to scoff at it .... if you like to do such things .... Personally i already knew the main concepts in my big toe from 'seth speaks', so i scoffed .... it was just different in that it used different terminology .... though it did clarify things for me as i flipped through to random pages.

I think its funny that its being impressed by the 'superficial' or 'unimportant' things which shouldn't even be pondered that can spawn great ideas ... Who said they are superficial? You? If one is excited about them, emotional about them, what does the 'my big toe' say about emotional reactions and their utility for the person who has them?

Ok lena, so from your links I got the main idea as being this:

Pay attention in the moment in order to bring focus and energy to existing in the moment instead of the past.

I think images are just sort of conditioning that one doesn't like. Aka they are 'beliefs' that one thinks are irrelevant. In my opinion, all beliefs arent like these, but alot might be - they are 'roles' we like to defend, like you and bette said....

I think the most effective method for getting rid of these is the following methods:

(1) While awake focus ones attention in the moment, or dont fragment it so much. So the utility of meditation is learning how to focus ones attention, and thats why some discplines recommend stuff like walking meditation, learning how to bring this focus to everyday life.
(2) Once we focus in the moment, we are too busy to form images as we are trying to see things in the whole and 'unlogic' and experience new magical things. In actuality, if we don't pay attention, we might make stuff up based on past experience, one way of forming 'images.'

(3) In order to 'unimage' ourselves, the following technique is useful. I learned about it from the book 'Become the Dream: Transforming Power of Hypnotic Dreamwork.'

When you awake from a dream, keep still with your eyes closed. Recall any dream fragments, and allow them to come to you, instead of chasing after them. Allow them to 'free associate' and connect. When ready, describe the dream and the feelings involved.

Now, become a character, feeel the character, be the emotions of the character, and start talking as if you were the character. For example, you could be talking to another character. Then, once done, you can switch chairs/spots and begin talking as if you were the other character. If it is a wish fulfillment dream, then resolving/good feelings will come soon. If it is a frustration dream, then there will be tension between the character at first. However, if one talks it through, and keeps switching spots, the tension will be released, just like talking truthfully with someone else can relieve tension.

Do this for multiple characters - the character don't have to be sentient! It can be a chair, or a goldfish, whatever feels important. And you don't have to do every character.

Once this is done, create some affirmations in your mind if you like that affirm the lessons learned and maybe meditate on them for 5 minutes (i made that up, in the book its the therapist who made up the affirmations).

Be sure you are supportive of yourself throughout the whole process.

The idea behind the above is that dreams are all about you, and the characters are fragments of you. By talking over things, one is integrating parts of oneself. I tried this out with a dream I had tonight and i felt relief afterwards!

(4) In summary, the limiting beliefs are only limiting if you are a giant locked in a small cage. To a fly they might be quite awesome beliefs. You're conscious mind gets to decide what it accepts as true, but since we have already accepted stuff without being responsible for evaluating it (not doing open minded skepticism), we need to deimage somewhat. But that's normal ...And the ability to accept what is real in PMR is increased with fine focus in the moment, otherwise we might just make stuff up based on our past, which is useful at times btw ....

If you think that you already know and understand what is in My Big TOE because you have read Seth book(s), then you are indeed superficial in your comprehension. You are 'missing the boat' entirely.

Ted

Perhaps. However, while i enjoyed the 16 or so youtube videos on my big toe, i wasn't very impressed with the conclusions in the sense that they were anything new compared to the 'seth speaks' books and other items i read. I think all my readings have been blurred in my mind .... For example, the 'computer' you talk about would be framework 2 in seth speaks books. And the reasons for love and everything and being on earth were given in 'seth speaks.' And the fact that there are alternate realities and what each person is, is given in 'seth speaks' books. And then theres the fact that different consciousnesses know things differently, and that our conscioius minds is slow in the sense that it has to do trial and error ('open skepticism'). I see so many parallels between the youtube videos and seth speaks.

I think actually that since i read so much material that when i saw the youtube videos i was like 'of course.' And then i didn't feel like reading the books because the material all clicked into place, i was actually quite excited when finding the videos and watching them.

But i don't want to argue because i haven't read the books.

I think that rereading seth speaks books might actually enrich my big toe and fill in details, now that a firm grasp has been established with big toe. But that would just be a guess, and again i can't really critique 'my big toe' without reading it.

I haven't really read my big toe because of some red flags raised.

For example, you seemed convinced that you cant spontaneously heal oneself, and that you gotta follow 'the rules.' Yet, in the 'nature of personal reality' and 'the way towards health', seth seems to be saying exactly the opposite. Well, he says that basically any non-born with illness can be cured gradually, and you seem to be like 'rules to hard to bend.' Also people have accounted this happening before. That raised a red flag for me.

I get that ego causes the rules to be hard to bend. But couldn't no knowledge of how to bend the rules cause the rules to be hard to be bent? Sort of like when you don't know physics its sort of hard to do physics problems. That raised another red flag for me.

Then the preaching of open minded skepticism as awesome and everything else as 'dogma' which is probably bad, also didn't really mesh well with me. Another red flag, this preaching seems rather dogmatic in itself and rather rigid.... Not that i disagree with 'skepticism' but the total focus on open minded skepticism seemed dogmatic, a contradiction ... Of course he does say that other 'dogma' is fine as long as it doesn't poop on other people, but calling the other harmless stuff dogma is sort of annoying and implies that other stuff gotta be 'dogma' and have no use, besides a cute superficial facade, which is definitely incorrect instinctively .... And im guessing at a higher level this 'open minded' skepticism is itself basic and naive, especially considering there are other consciousnesses that can gather knowledge in other, quicker manners and that one can probably (im guessing) obtain knowledge from ...



Im not going to guess anymore at what my big toe contains, all i know is from the videos.

Thanks! Didn't get the reference

You are probably missing the point on why i was excited also, probably because i didn't put down any references. I encountered Krishnamurti in the link below, and its fun and exciting to encounter links between ideas, even 'fictional' ones. This will probably open a whole boat of 'thats bs, so superficial cause you haven't checked it out', and thats fine, for me it is in the 'possibilities', because i haven't checked any of it out, but at least its a fun read and it meshes with other ideas. Have I gone any deeper yet? You got me, i haven't....

http://www.thenewearth.org/Roswell.pdf

"The disadvantage of creating an illusion is that an illusion [EGO fear!!!] must be continually created. If not continually created, it disappears. Continual creation of an illusion requires incessant attention to every detail of the illusion in order to sustain it.""

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ ... view12.htm

Also im a firm believer that even BS is a good method to stimulate creativity, though i dont think its bs.

Just me being silly. Ted said you were 'missing the boat', It reminded me of that song so I went to listen it and thought its lyrics almost magically could have referred to this thread, so I shared it, thinking maybe others would be see the same connections and feel somewhat puzzled as I did.

I don't have much to say about this thread.. I think generally you raise awareness, starry3, and have a very healthy eager hunger for knowledge and a balanced view of it. The openminded scepticism dogma criticism seems a bit ridiculous, as it is meant to counter dogmas.. weh. The other red flags would also vanish more or less, I think, with more knowledge of the model. There are after all laws in nature more strict and structured than those in our usual dreams.

Healing is done so I do not understand where you got that "spontaneous healing" wasn't part of Tom's model. Open-minded skepticism being dogmatic, that's funny. No authoritarianism in MBT. The book goes places the videos do not go and it's just data anyway so why not see if it can get into your personal database to be processed and used to bigger your knowledge or set aside as not useful. You cannot know if you don't know.
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I think Starry3 is doing what Tom hopes one would do, that is to go out and find your truth from your experiences. A very TOEist thing to do. Sabby

Im not against this, i actually think its a really good thing. Its just the way i interpreted it at first .... Words leave ways for many interpretations, based on someones background ....


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Glad its funny - its funny now that i think about it :) Im going to do his recommendation of 20 minutes of meditation twice a day, maybe one of them will be with the gateway experience waves, and recording the subjective experience in a notebook before and after each meditation.

Anyone had any success, moving from not having experienced npmr or psi stuff before to experiencing npmr? How was the experience and was it a consistent thing? Im really interested in this stuff .... I just came across an article in Discover about a physicist named Barbour who is challenging einstein's theory of gravity with the assumption that time is a property of space, its not fundamental.


Thx :)

Oh and thanks for all the time spent and the responses, youve helped me better understand! Its good that Ted responds quickly and succinctly to new comers posts, thx ! And i see where the stories are so ill go there ....

Hay their Starry, that quote above were you said THX that you thought was mine , that was Bette's, i personalty think it is better for you and all to find a way that best suits you, and in your own time. Sabby

Thanks bette! i definitely agree