Hi Paul.

This is one song that I listen when I'm at work. It gives me great serenity, calmness and soothes my soul. I think it will add quite significantly if you listen it while pondering the stars and smoking in the night :) like you do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn7x-Eof ... re=related - Meditation Music 1

ingerul9,

Yes, soothing and opens up the psyche to emote and look at experience as fun, productive and enjoyable.

Paul

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Tom and Ted,

I have a very BIG question. Does AUM have responsibility over TBC and EBC? Or who or what does?

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In other words, who takes care of the caretaker's daughter while the caretaker's busy taking care? ;~)

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Paul,

TBC and the EBC are indeterminately many and they are all part of AUM and distributed as required. Saying that AUM is in charge or in control of them is both correct and absurd. They are part of AUM. They are not computers as we have and think of computers here. They are part of the Consciousness System which means that they are part of AUM and inherently are conscious, in the sense that they interface with consciousness and use judgement as opposed to just cranking the numbers. These are just isolated or idealized or simplified concepts to permit thinking about things, making a clear model. When Tom talks about the entities in the control rooms for TBC or the EBC, he is being facetious, not literal.

Remember that Tom has talked about the fluidity of things in the LCS. That it isn't so much that there are isolated IUOCs and TBCs and EBCs as that while for modeling purposes, we postulate entities and functions but the actuality is more integral. I cannot find a reference at the moment as the search is not working. Others may have a clearer memory of precisely what Tom has said than I do. This is how I in general understand the situation. Tom's model is a 'model', not the actuality but an excellent model never the less.

Ted

Ted,

Yes I agree and in-between your answering words, I have more or less received my answer. In other words, TBC and EBC are not totally independent, do their own thing in answer to no one or nothing. There is a some where and some how, some connection to the Big Picture, LCS and AUM. That what ever that connection is, it is undefined at this time. In other words there must also be a logical progression of future VR's consistent with player's free-will made choices, the reality of the VR currently produced and totally in line with the 'rule-set'. In other words there is not infinite randomity with each successive VR update. There must be a logical progression within the rule-set of successive VR updates.

But obviously in creating the VR and then following where the VR gets directed as the VR itself has some determined direction due to the free-will choices of the players which leads to realities and objectivities, the TBC and EBC must then calculate the next set of probabilities starting from, taking off from those free-will choices that have been made by the VR players which have produced a present time reality and certainly also thereby produced a set of new (to some degree a closed set/group of ... ) probabilities (potential realities) to come.

Paul

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Paul,

I can't say that I follow that well enough to put a yea or nay on it. Let me phrase it as how I see it and you see if you think there is a congruence.

TBC is continually progressing the 'physicality' of the VR based upon probabilities. The participating IUOCs are both responding to each other, interacting, and responding to the VR physicality as it is collapsed out of probability and results in the experience of the participating IUOCs. The IUOCs react not just to other IUOCs with their Intent, but also to their experience of the VR physicality, including an Intent for the VR physicality to be modified, steered away from where the IUOC perceives it to be going. TBC has full access to the future probable data base. It is fully aware of the Intents of the participating IUOCs as well as their actions/interactions. It is through TBC that it is decided whether some Intent based effect by an IUOC is to the over all good of the development of that IUOC and the LCS and the VR. So the PUP, again a part of Tom's model as opposed to a literal function of TBC, is invoked to stop the Intent from creating its intended result, or it is modulated and limited in results. It is a continuing dynamic interaction with feedback between all elements involved.

I can 'see' it and explain it much better in 'systems talk' like that rather than interpret your words as you used them and try to relate them to my words as I used them. The question is whether this iteration brings us closer to using descriptive language that is understandable by both of us or not. When word definitions and usage are not clear, I hesitate to say 'I agree' until I can see reasonably clearly that we are in fact saying the same things.

Ted

Hi Ted,
Yes! That is what I was trying to say in many more words. It is a continuing dynamic. There is also feedback!
An excellent practical example of polite and appropriate skepticism. I admire that. Not a blind acceptance nor a blind non-acceptance.

We do see eye to eye.

Paul

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Hi Ted,

I ran across the following from Tom in my reading. In my study of MBT I have found this to be true. In fact so true that it explains the fact that I have been very much in communication with the LCS all of my life. If you recall Ted, I wrote a brief synopsis of what my reality is concerning my FWAU all the way up to the LCS as a see it in an email about a month ago. MBT and the way I have operated this life pretty much mesh together.

With this long time familiarity and working with LCS, the data banks of the past and the probabilities of all present (near term) actualities and future probabilities that I care to look into, I have the following consideration.

I feel that rather than go into doing OOBE and talking to guides (which I have yet to experience), it may be that I just continue operating in VR the way I do and have been for decades. I have this viewpoint more and more as I meditate more and more. I have always been able to access past history as well as access near, medium and long term probabilities and make decisions based on that data. In the past it has been looking into the past and getting a feel for what happened as well as looking into the next moment, medium, long or short term and running several imagined scenarios with full technicolor, 3D action figures (my own personal TBC and EBC, VR set-up) and whatever necessary environment and then I make a decision.

Remote viewing and awareness are another matter altogether and I continue to work on that and experience improvements as time goes by. Indications of telepathy occurring with others also seems to be occurring. I have always worked with the intention in mind to take decisions and actions which produce the best situations for myself and those around me, certainly those choices that produce better evolved situations for all. What I have found is those actions themselves are usually the most simplest and of the least entropy involved.

Might I never have an OOBE or talk to a guide? Please comment.

Paul

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Paul,

I could not begin to guess and certainly not predict whether you might in future "talk to a guide" or experience OOB travel. I could not predict for myself whether I would ever have these experiences again. I have had experience with them and with many things, most types of Psi phenomena, sufficient to say that I know that they have occurred and that such things are real possibilities. I see no value to repeating the list again here as I have mentioned them on the board before.

While Tom's model is, as I find it, to be a very good model of the nature of the LCS, its history of development and the creation of VRs of the PMR and NPMR types, it is yet but a model. Tom and I have discussed this and Tom posted the discussion on the board. I have some history in graduate school of attempting to create a mathematical model of a physical process of a relatively simple kind and yet found the reality very much more complex than the model could express based upon engineering knowledge at that time. The reality of the LCS is the most vastly complex thing in existence. Tom's model, powerful as it is in terms of allowing and aiding understanding is yet at the end, a much simplified model.

Its power as a model can be demonstrated in the fact that, without any indication of planning or statement on Tom's part, it matches the models of ancient metaphysics in that the Void of Tom's model is the Void of ancient mysticism and fulfills the same function as being the origin of everything. Indra's Net and the jewels of consciousness 'attached' to it is a perfect match for the Reality Wide Web and the 'attached' IUOCs. The Buddha's Illusion is a perfect match to the simulation of physicality in the PMR VR. That digital science and pure mathematics can explain what Tom describes as occurring during the development of the LCS from the Void to the creation of the IUOCs on the RWW viewed as a Cellular Automaton developing global rather than purely local data communication is another key item of verisimilitude between Tom's model and the reality of the LCS. Yet it is still just a model and nowhere near the complexity of the ding an sich in its unknowable nature and complexity.

All together Tom's model fits with what we know of reality very intricately, very completely and very convincingly. It allows for profound explanations of aspects of special relativity and quantum mechanics. But yet as Tom described in your quotation, the metaphors for our interface with the LCS are yet only metaphors and of limited utility and correctness. While we do have guides, and Tom has discussed the need for NPMR entities with the skills and responsibility to perform this function for those in PMR, yet that is not the only mode of connection to the LCS. Whether information accessible to us resides largely within our IUOC or within data bases to which our IUOC has access or probably a mixture is likely to be highly variable from IUOC to IUOC.

We must each work towards figuring these answers out for ourselves and in relation to ourselves while living gracefully with the uncertainty. More simply put, damned if I know.

Ted

Thanks Ted,

Your response is well received and appreciated. It does give me further understanding and the confidence and knowledge that I am on the right track with my personal growth and my personal understanding of 'The Big Picture', Tom's model. It is actually fitting in very nicely with what I know and have discovered through my personal search for truth and understanding. It has also filled in gaps I didn't know were there. I do know that no one has fully completed 'The Big Picture' throughout time but it looks to me like we are getting closer and closer. Probably it will never be absolutely complete. It is dynamic and changing at all times.

Let me also say that I do look forward to OOBE in what ever form that it comes. I will say that in the past there is certainly the possibility that I have received guidance because I know that I have. It has come in the form of intuition and cognition. Once in the not too distant past I also had a voice talk to me. I must say that I passed it off and classified it as stupid. It definitely came out of the ether from somewhere.

It told me that I would go crazy, nutts if I went ahead and closed my eyes and looked with only my consciousness to discover what data I could derive from that type of looking. Now you know why I told it to get lost and not bother me again. This was on a beautiful sunny afternoon on the sidewalk in downtown Glendale, CA, looking north all the way to the foothills in the distance.

Paul

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Paul,

It has also demonstrated how I communicate with the LCS now. I wrote that long discursion because it was what came into my mind to do as opposed to simply telling you that you would have to figure out and work out the future path on your own, which is what I effectively did in the end. I don't think I did it because I like to hear myself talk without reason although I did have a passing thought as 'why am I giving this long and elaborate answer' when I did not know that you would find value in it. Intuition, for lack of a better word, or unconscious information from the LCS that it would be somehow useful in the situation? That seems to be how I communicate predominately at present with the LCS. I have learned to trust this kind of communication as to its actually being there, since good results do occur, and as to the appropriateness of the information and direction given, again since good and not always anticipated results occur. I have so far not found reason to question this unconscious guidance, although I do cross check it with what I know consciously, as in sometimes being confrontational with board members (and wondering if it were justified), and finding out later from results that it was what was needed, based again upon good results.

What you describe as your past interactions, past methods of proceeding and abilities you describe has in fact made me somewhat envious, as in 'now why couldn't the LCS have provided me with that ability' or led me towards that approach. That is something else which I find we must, and can, trust the LCS with. Each of our paths through this PMR experience is our own and likely to have been optimized for each individually, presuming that we are aware to accept 'nudging' and guidance along the way. As Tom has described it, each of us, when ready to function at a certain level in terms of our interactions with the LCS, tend to be guided, or a path planned in advance, to put the appropriate things, experiences, in our path. And this will be a multi leveled path as well in that it will include an interactive 'dance' where we pass in and out of the lives of others, providing unknowingly the interactions and experiences that they require in their own paths. Something that I read in a book comes to mind, without remembering the details of whose book it was and the details of what was said, about someone walking in a woods and having a woman dressed in white come running or jogging through in the opposite direction and say something in passing which provided them in its appropriateness to what they were thinking at the time with significant insight. Did that woman jogging by actually say what was heard, did she know that she had said it, and why would she have said such a thing to a perfect stranger passed on an isolated trail through the woods?

I have followed a much different path than Tom in my life. It seems that I was being trained and guided towards being able to be of assistance to Tom in this project acting as his assistant and allowing him freedom to do the things that he most needs to do as the point man. Filling in gaps where he can't be in two places doing everything required at one time. Better to be where and doing what is needed by the LCS than doing what we might think consciously would be more exciting or useful when we can't see the whole picture that is being woven into the tapestry.

Ted

Hi Ted,

Just a short reply with more to follow later.

My first interest is to talk about the paths that we all wind up taking. What came first to my mind is that we all start at a different time and location on our paths and therefore no two out of the billions to trillions will ever be the same. Not even come close to being the same.

I am somewhat at a loss to characterize my path other than to say it has been quite different. I myself have always been characterized by others as 'different' and right to my face no less. I come up with a lot of 'out of left field' thoughts and ideas. Out of 'left field' from that galaxy over yonder about 20 million light years away. Not that I am strange or weird, just not what one would expect to hear or see. Viewpoints that are appropriate yet far from that which one would expect or beyond that of others most expanded realities. Funny thing is those communications do wind up applying. Many times they even truly amaze me!

I'd have to say it's probably because I will consider anything and classify it for value and then act or not. Many times I'll say or do something just to see what happens. Not only does my saying and/or action amaze even me but quite often I'm amazed at the response those illicit.

I have had a very different and interesting life and I continue with such to this day and time. I'm working on a crazy 5yr string of events now which is about to have a very interesting twist (one of many over this period) in the next 2-3wks.

Another thing has just come to mind. I have a 1990 XJS, V12, Jaguar convertible. Have you ever studied the engine or had a chance to go over it in some depth? The engineering is just plain marvelous for what they did. It's like they started and then kept engineering to fix or accommodate problems they would run into as they marched towards their end product but the funny thing is ... rather than go back and re-engineer the area creating the problem, they would just engineer a stand alone fix. It's like a subroutine for a subroutine for a subroutine because they overlooked designing the system so the problem wouldn't manifest in the first place. It's reminiscent of having separate isolated engineering teams for each part, function and location of the engine and then everything gets thrown onto where it might be OK to fit it since there is some room there to patch it in. So what if it takes extra wires, mechanical linkage, belts, things hanging in weird places or off to the side on the fender or hidden in a secret compartment stuffed into the wheel well. You'd be absolutely amazed.

For the last 5 yrs I have had to do all of the maintenance and repair myself with no help other than manuals (extremely poor) and internet chat sites. Oh....... the stories I could tell.

Paul

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Hi Ted,

This is funny. After my inclusion about engineering and Jaguars, quess what appears today on the main world wide Jag-Lovers site.

From down-under Uruguay way ... Paul

ps: I wonder ....... Just where did that thought I had about Jags come from last night? .....

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Hi Ted and All,

I have come to a reality just today. Infinity, us as beings of infinite existence must live in infinity. No other reality is possible. Infinity must move through infinity for it cannot be constrained.

Therefore one can never reach a goal, the ultimate goal. One must live in probabilities for only thru probabilities can infinity be encompassed.

Tom is correct in his Big Picture. One must live with probabilities and randomity. Skepticism is an adjunct viewpoint of an infinite viewpoint for nothings and somethings cannot be quantified in the context of infinity. We have quantized time and many other factors in the VR but that is only because quantization is necessary in order to have games and action. It is also necessary in order to have values. Values, which are a specific, come by way of quantizations. Quantizations are also necessary to have a physical universe. We can thereby now have importances. Another requirement to have games and action for these, although all things are infinite in nature, these can be quantized.

Beyond AUM, there must be infinity for rules are non-existent and nothings and somethings must be correlated by probabilities and randomities. Nothing else can encompass infinity. For one to operate towards and in infinity, skepticism is a necessity.

We only have one choice, to live graciously and the only way to encompass such life is Love for all that may or may not exist. How can one reject Love and encompass infinity. Love for all is the only way that one does not wind up rejecting parts of infinity. And as I have said, infinity must live in infinity. It has no other choice. It can do nothing else but, regardless of how hard one may try.

Paul

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