Mr. Campbell, in one of your interviews, you mentioned that MBT is similar to the Seth books. If there are only similarities then there must be diferences. What do you think they are?

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Quantum,

Seth had to deliver his ideas through the constraints of Jane and to the audience of Jane in the 70s timeframe.

I deliver my ideas through the constraints of Tom and to the audience of Tom in the 2000s timeframe.

Seth is difficult to understand logically because it he does not deliver a derivation beginning with first principles. He is more "airy" conceptually while I am more concrete. He states, while I derive.

Tom

Tom, have you verified for yourself that Seth is a real entity, not an imagination of Jane Roberts. You certainly have the ability to meet with him or to see in the databases what happened at the time. Nowadays many people claim to be channelers of ascended masters and/or other awakened/enlightened entities.

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I am searching my books for the one that was written about 100 years ago, I think, that has a chart of "masters, awakened, enlightened" as Quantum refers or mystic "types" my term, in chronological order. As I recall there was some overlap (this is one reason why I am searching so hard for it) that doesn't support reincarnation as the "way" for all of the ones on that chart, but leaves the possibility (probability?) open for many cases to have been. I located the correct box of book as I am finding many winners. So far of note would be Walter Russell's "The Message of the Divine Iliad" and his "The Secret of Light", the book with the chart will be in this box I have out now. Looking through this box is too fun to rush.

Speaking of others speaking for others, has anyone experience with Ruth Montgomery books? If interested I suggest starting from oldest on up. I'll supply titles if anyone requests.
Love
Bette

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Quantum:
Tom, have you verified for yourself that Seth is a real entity, not an imagination of Jane Roberts. You certainly have the ability to meet with him or to see in the databases what happened at the time. Nowadays many people claim to be channelers of ascended masters and/or other awakened/enlightened entities.

Corax:
I've personally spoken with Seth on numerous occasions - and from what I can tell, he's a real entity. But don't take my word for it ;) Go have a chat with him yourself. He's peculiar and fascinating, and likes to test you.

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I`m just at the beginning of developing my abilities. I have much to learn at this point to meet someone consciously and at will in out of body state.

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On the vast canvas of the Self the picture of manifold worlds is painted by the Self itself. And that Supreme Self, seeing but itself, enjoys great delight.- Adi Shankara

Quantum:
I`m just at the beginning of developing my abilities. I have much to learn at this point to meet someone consciously and at will.

Corax:
Try what Jane started off with - a ouija-board.

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I have heard that with a ouija-board you can unintentionally invite also negative entities. I don`t have that clear intent or thoughts and could mess up things. Is that the way you also contacted Seth?

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On the vast canvas of the Self the picture of manifold worlds is painted by the Self itself. And that Supreme Self, seeing but itself, enjoys great delight.- Adi Shankara

Quantum:
I have heard that with a ouija-board you can unintentionally invite also negative entities. I don`t have that clear intent or thoughts and could mess up things. Is that the way you also contacted Seth?

Corax:
No fear. Don't believe everything you've heard. And don't believe everything the ouija-board tells you, either. Just try it, openly, with scepticism. You'll get a sense of what is true and not eventually. Before you contact Seth, you could try just inviting your "guides" (or "over-consciousness" as I prefer to term it). They're more likely to info-feed you what you need - and you can get Seth later (if he's not busy, which he seems to be quite often).

And yes, that's the way I've been communicating with Seth (together with a good friend - can't 'run' the board on my own - yet). If you do get him, say hi from me.

You may find a ouija-board to be an opening experience (and practice), that might lead to more developed (effective) ways/means of communication, eventually.

Good luck.

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What about lucid dreaming, isn't this just setting up a meeting? Since Tom's big TOE really seems foundational to me, and finding the foundation of stuff like language, math, behavior etc. has been a theme for me in this life experience, the lucid dreaming concept just seems like another way of saying what everyone is saying here about planning a trip.

I found the book I was searching out for use here and in the Castaneda (I'm not strong on spelling, if this is spelled incorrectly) discussion; it is Cosmic Consciousness: The Classic Investigation of the Development of Man's Mystic Relation to the Infinite by Richard Maurice Bucke, M.D., first published in 1901. 1901 I say, to me this is big because he has some big thoughts in there, nice clear pieces of the puzzle (I'll be posting on my puzzle analogy, possibly today) that were developed and put out here over 100 years ago in PMR time.

The chart I recalled from this book shows unit(s) of consciousness UOC numbered from 1 (Moses) to 43, name, date of birth (since this book was written so long ago the latest dob is 1871), age at Illumination, sex, time of year of Illumination, and age at death. I believe Tom is Illuminated as well.

Lawrence LeShan wrote The Medium, The Mystic, and the Physicist title changed to Clairvoyant Reality: Towards a General Theory of the Paranormal, another good read.

Love
Bette

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Quantum,

Yes, Seth is a real being, not someone Jane imagined. He is one of The Teachers -- a small group that tries to enlighten us. He works under several nom de plumes - I don't remember the details any longer.

Tom C

Tom,

You triggered my curiousity when you said : "He is one of The Teachers -- a small group that tries to enlighten us."

What are the teaching they gave us ? Are you in this small group?

pman

pman,

Many spiritual, religious, philosophical, nature-of-reality based teachings spanning hundreds if not many thousands of years. That is part of the reason there is so much fundamental similarity at the root. That, and the fact that there is just one truth. They focus their teaching and pick their entry points in different places, forms and contexts to effectively communicate the fundamentals of existence to various groups and types of humans (however much and in whatever way each group/type can comprehend).

No I am not a member. I have worked with The Teachers from time to time when our interests have coincided -- usually concerning questions of process and interface relative to some individual. I am a free lancer -- a special assignment resource available to perform unique one-off kinds of tasks -- often associated with individuals in both PMR and NPMR with special issues -- but sometimes I work on broad more strategic big picture problems that indirectly may eventually affect many billions of entities -- but still only as a free-lancer just doing my part. Functional groups tend to work within a more narrowly defined functional area -- i.e., they are specialists. I have worked temporarily with various functional groups from time to time to gain specific needed experience. An independent agent accumulates a very broad experience base which offers a bigger picture -- something that has been very helpful in deriving an understanding of the whole. Writing MBT, though planned well before the beginning of this experience packet, is somewhat peripheral - an effort to take advantage of an unusual opportunity generated by an expected spin off of "other duties as assigned" (don't ask -- the reasons why I limit such unhelpful, though perhaps entertaining, discussions is explained elsewhere in this forum.). Efficient place this NPMR.

Tom C

Dan:
I would be interesting in an elaboration of what you mean by "questions of process and interface relative to some individual" - if you can, have the time to spare, the interest, AND feel so inclined. IOW - no obligation :-)

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Dan,

Twice it has happened that an individual whom A Teacher is working with (or is strongly influencing) is also an individual of interest to me. If I and a specific Teacher have common interest, or if we can help each other (or they can help me, or I help them) execute our different missions, then we collaborate, or at least cooperate. Because their focus is so tight and specific, sometimes it takes a little extra effort to convince them to participate in my game.

Tom C