Thank you all very much for your replies.
skillfully focused, radical intent, should be enough to wake people up
I agree with that. But if focused intent is your method of action people will naturally ask or comment on your behavior if it differs from theirs or the way the majority handles the issue... ;)
while intent is key, you will also want to educate yourself on how the world actually works, and read about both sides of the fair trade movement...like asking the question...what happens to those kids when the cocoa harvesting jobs disappear due to well-intentioned europeans forcing employers to fire them (do they starve or end up with garbage dump jobs?) what happens when GMO delivery of penicillan through bananas is shut down due to the same mechanism, or mining activity is stalled in developing nations due to interference from OECD country political radicals?
True. Thinking that simply buying fair trade goods is turning third world countries into paradise is not leading anywhere. But refraining from the consumption of non-fair products at least lowers the demand for them and in the long term production might be shifted toward more sustainable models that help the local communities provide better education and economic opportunities to their members...
If you want to become at TOE- head, the most important thing is to begin a form of meditation, even if it is for a few minutes, start with one minute...but ideally, 20 minutes twice a day. This is not easy for some...and for me it is a big hurdle.
Oh yes. :) Actually I come from a spiritual background, i.e. I have been educated in Vedanta and Buddhism - mainly Zen and Bön. So I practice meditation already. My story of coming here was quite an Odyssey: actually I decided to prepare to join a Monastery of my Buddhist lineage a while ago and was about to take these preparations to a serious level, like learning Tibetan, focusing on my practice etc. but then I came across the books by Robert Monroe. Being open minded and skeptical I wanted to read them since it might be a enrichment to how to practice learn out-of-body experiences, I thought. And so I read them. Having been going through the discordian school of Robert Anton Wilson, smashing my belief-system wasn't a very new experience. ;) But that was exactly what happened: Bob's mention of the belief-system-realms really disturbed me - since it made total sense. And so I decided to get rid of every shrivel inside my ontology that was not a known - but a believe. And since even Buddhism is fundamentally based on beliefs - most Westeners don't know anything about it and hence miss that point - I decided to adopt everything useful from the spiritual and scientific traditions I know about and sort out the belief-parts. And exactly after I figured out how to go the next step in this new metaphysical homelessness I came across Thomas Campbell and his Big TOE. That was just a short overview about my background - but I guess that might be helpful to know. ;)
you can also do this random reading online with the electronic version...
Thanks. I will soon order the original and for the time I have to wait for it I will use the digital surrogate. ;)
welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums
Thank you very much. :)
If you are manipulating them with Love based Intent (you probably need to read the books to really KNOW what that means) rather than using Fear based Intent (making them change to suit you) then if you're wrong it isn't that harmful since you are acting in Love.
Yes, I agree. So I assume this is discussed within TEO?
The moral code is not intended to be applied to others. It is intended as a guide for SELF application
Yes, that is clear. My point simply was: how do I apply it to myself in a case where moral judgement of the intention of others is an issue... ;)
We can show COMPASSION.
The foundation of our action should be compassion. But compassion can express in different forms. In Buddhism this can take varying forms: If I chose to be compassionate toward you - so that you do not create suffering to other sentient beings and hence more for you - I might confront you and tell you that you are acting completely immoral buying non-fair-trade coffee. If you do not comply to my action I could simply discard that of stemming from your ignorance and I would not need to bother about the repercussions I might have created. In this way it is easier to act and not have to think about the consequences. If you tell someone: act in love. That does not mean anything. Love for who or what? What is the primary drive behind an action and does it necessarily fulfill its intention just because the intention was good? And I find this is very well addressed in this moral treatise by this axiom:
2. One can not be negligently-caring and moral
a) One must take into account, to the best of their ability, the ramifications (intended or unintended) of a caring intention.
b) One must be careful and thoughtful about the result of translating a caring intent into action.
c) One has a moral duty to correct (to the extent possible) results of moral actions that turn out to have not been in the best interests of others.
If you buy non-fair-trade coffee I might say: 'Look the slave-labor kids in Africa!' Don't I act out of compassion? If I say: 'Never mind.' ->Because 'I don't want to argue with you plus you show no interest in well intended moral action. So forget about it.' Don't I also act out of compassion? These things are very delicate and practically they can cause a lot of trouble. A lot of times when I am asked why I do something a certain way and I insist upon explaining the moral decision behind that - people are offended. Because I mirror their immorality. If I refrain from explaining they are offended, too... ;)
Sometimes the best way to cause others to rethink their behavior and ideas is through example. Be the best you can be - always evolving toward Love. Others around you may want to know the secret to your peace and serenity. Some times the people around you just aren't ready to change.
Yes, I find that the most practical approach. I guess it boils down to developing a very sensitive eye for the people you deal with and adjust your behavior accordingly.