Zeitgeist, alternative social structure without monetary control of all happenings

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The Zeitgeist Movement Bi-Weekly Report with Peter Joseph. This Bi-weekly broadcast discusses the developments and aims of The Zeitgeist Movement & The Venus Project; Organizations dedicated to creating a self-sustaining, abundant world. www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

7/29/2009 3:00 PM - 2 hrs

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Apologies if I am bumping an old thread. I was negligent enough not to look at the date. Nevertheless..
Thank you for this, edge!
I think it will take a while until society evolves to a level where it will accept universal equality.
There are, If I recall correctly,quite a few models already made that guarantee a self-sustaining system where equality can be universal. Nobody would need to work and so forth.. Sadly, I can't see that happening in the near future.


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I think it is a matter of people doing what they love to do so that what they do does noit seem like work, and they produce a more quality product of whatever their skill and talents allow. You will see it when you believe it, mayhaps....Remember we are creating our own reality.
Love
Bette

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Hi!

I think I used the word 'work' erroneously. What I should have said was a 'job' where you do productive work in exchange for something of no real value.
We do create our own reality and ours just happens to be commonly unpleasant (by looking through the eyes of the ordinary person). But I guess it is just the state of humanity and the high entropy level that determines it. Mr. Campbell is right when saying that a good way to achieve positive results would be to create an atmosphere around yourself that would eventually cause others to lower their entropy level. Slow process, eh..
So. Yeah, we do create our own reality. You create mine and I create yours, in a way.
Lower entropy level, I think, would be the predominant 'condition' in the future if we are allowed by control policies to express the outcome and 'hook up' more people.

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I think we are talking about the same thing. When you do what you love to do for your job, it does not seem like work, and the output is of better quality. It's the newest old model, let's create it.
Love
Bette

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I must add something, which I admit, reeks with prejudices (against organizations).

If there's some organization involved - stay away from it.
I always remember Animal Farm... how the animals banished farmer from their farm, to make life better without the nasty oppressor (the farmer) who don't contribute at all, only takes.

After a while, those who assumed the position of 'ruling class', the pigs, also assumed the characteristics of the farmer, by skilfully manipulating other animals into submission and acceptance, and after that, exploiting them.

I fear, if/when the change comes, and if all things that Icke and this guy and others talk about, really exists.. after a while it will be like this:

Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home
And do as you're told.
Get out of the road if you want to grow old.

Some may say, that without organizations, there's anarchy, true enough only if people aren't evolved enough to be kind to each other, and loving, without hiearchical structure of power, that force you to be good and kind, or at least act that way.
Unfortunately, we aren't evolved enough, to live in peace and prosperity, and even more unfortunate is the fact that we aren't evolved enough to have some people with power (for example the Government or Religion or some other organization), and be sure that they won't start to abuse that powers, in interest to have more power. It was happening for hundreds if not thousands of years, and I don't see that it's getting any better. Only the form changes, the substance remains the same.

We should be able to live in peace and harmony naturally, without any enforcement or rules.
Like flowers on a field.

Hello.

I watched Icke once and he talked about a schism or something similar that is about to be corrected.
And a whole lot of people nowadays seem to talk about the same thing. Even reporting what beings from other realities are about to do to us; that is helping us evolve.
They (the people) may have adopted these 'prophecies' from Icke and he in turns from somebody else, but something inside me hopes it is true.
I am all skeptical about this whole 'all of a sudden to occur conscious shift', but I like the idea maybe out of longing.

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I take residence in timeless places where the call of the hour is heard not at the door of the soul - Oliver Fox

Yes I know, it seems paradoxical that low Entropy means more organized in the Consciousness system while at the same time once something gets organized in PMR it seems to fall apart in its usability. There must be a balance, a harmony between these two disparate concepts; for living by rules concerning how to treat each other, than by the current method of rules concerning how to punish each other for behaving badly. I believe it is time for some of the feminine to call some shots.
Love
Bette

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Tom mentioned that few times... I guess he's correct.
He said it's not gonna happen that way. It can only happen by you, taking actions for that to happen.
And it can only happen to someone making actions. So everybody has to make some actions in their life, for that to happen. Consciousness shift aka lowering entropy.



Well certainly you girls wouldn't screw this world to this extent we boys already did.

Awww, c'mon I think the girls could do just as good a job making a mess as guys have - it would just be different ;-))

It will take balance, so both are required equally.
Love
Bette

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RBM, yeah they probably would... but I think that mess they would made, won't be up to par with our mess.

This alpha male stuff, dominance, and the rest of lower reptillian brain attributes are mostly contained in male brain. So their mess would be nicer then our mess.
I think.. maybe I'm wrong, it's hard to tell.

Anyway, you know how I see this all ? These wars, and past wars ... and future wars. As an evolutionary step. Something that we need to go through, like political systems.

We tried communism, it didn't work out .. well, actually .. in my country, communism was pretty great, everybody was happy, had /money-material safety/, we where 'respected' (could travel wherever we wanted (we now can't go anywhere)). It was actually modified version of communism. It wasn't Stalin's communism.
Then the idea of democracy came, which sounded cool, but the corporations and governments took that and distorted it, and turned it into capitalism and modern day slavery and used cold war as a propaganda to achieve that.
Now they are using democracy as an excuse to wage wars.

But as we entered this information age, internet and all this... soon, we'll 'evolve' again, and move to something else, which will probably be better then current system.
So this is all just temporary evolutionary step, we'll survive and evolve to something better eventually.

I can't stand forums that scream: "WARNING!! The thread you are about to post to is over x days old. Are you SURE you really want to do this???" Sometimes, a thread needs bumping! And love means never having to say you're sorry... I always love finding another Pink Floyd fan. I'm going to Wud I say to try to discuss music with some of you...
I love you Bette. I love you Bette. I love you Bette. Where have you been all my life?

I didn't know that about the male brain. That might explain the quality of 'male messes'.



I have always felt,at an intuitive level, wars were an issue of an evolutionary step. That seems consistent with the perspective of the MBT.



It seems to me that Corporatocracy was/is the US most prized product export of some in the US.



I have had, for a long while, this nagging notion, that even as evolutionary steps are made by some, others seem to step backward. Thus, a gap that has always existed, grows just as evolution grows. I think human weaponry R&D makes for a good illustration of this point.

You keep that up, Lynda, and I am going to start loving me too. :) Thank you sweetie.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
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Consciousness.