I've just finished the first 100 pages of Tom's single-volume trilogy, My Big Toe. On page 88, Tom discloses that his initial working model of reality resembles Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts. I'm not all that famliar with Seth Speaks and there is no index toward the end. There is also no documentation (no bibliography nor footnotes), and Tom seems to just mention Seth in passing. I can't be sure whether Tom ever revisits Jane Roberts or Seth later.

What I know is limited to Wiki. Did Seth really spell out the model of reality through Jane Roberts? If so, did it occur to anyone that this could be significant? I realize it was some 35 years ago. But the New Age movement seems to have clearly received an impetus from Seth and the phenomenon of channeling. Was Seth's model largely discounted because it was channeled information?

Now, I'm a little bit familiar with Laura Knight-Jadzyk, who also relied on the channeled information obtained from beings that refer to themselves as Casseopeians (either from the planet of Casseopeia or our descendants). What similarity, if any, is there between Seth and the Casseopeians? Any similarity between Laura Knight and Tom?

Hi Rumpsringa. Seth's material is widely available online. Rob Butt's (who holds the publication rights to Jane Robert's work) seems content for Seth's teachings to be shared in this way from what I can gather. A strong starting point is 'Seth speaks' - an audio resource can be found below:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Markleberry ... x6HDgDCse4

Hope this helps.

Nick

I've been reading the Seth books for over 30 years. I think his model is a lot more complicated and metaphorical than MBT. There is a Seth website: http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/#books. It is still worth checking out.

Sorry for my laziness, but there is a painting of Seth that looks exactly like Robert A Monroe somewhere out here. I'm just saying. :)
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Thank you for the link, Nick. I'd been meaning to get around to this...

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this is what comes up if you google image "seth speaks"



on the assumption that reality is true (focussing on the underlying reality, rather than teachers), each teacher brings a different perspective on the same reality (PMR + NPMR and beyond)

Tom's uniqueness appears to me to be 2-fold vs the various 20th century mystics

#1 - he is an active secular OBE'er rather than a channeller or medium (though this ground is already well covered by Monroe and other TMI writers)
#2 - he is a physicist with the tools to map NPMR and integrate this exploration with the secular religion of science, unifying the right and left hemispheric approaches, eliminating a huge source of entropy in individuals and in the overall system.

This is more than an incremental step in efficiency, but is rather an exponential paradigm shift...like the invention of the transistor.

what was previously intuited or accepted on faith, can now be experienced directly and proven, with a model that explains the empirical evidence to tie it all together.

what does this mean for us personally?...it may all boil down to paying increasing attention to that higher (HS) voice that whispers in our ear at each point in our day's decision tree, and increasingly giving the finger to the other voice(s), the impulse of ego (and the R-complex).

the irony is that all the things the grasping ego wants, may appear without effort once we get with the program, which is an observation the Nazarene made.

like the monkey trap, grasping the nut prevents us from eating it.

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You're pretty brilliant yourself Randy. That is a different picture, but even that one has a little resemblance to Robert Monroe, the other one had a mustache. I think of this resemblance as a hint/nudge/wink that Seth and Tom are connected through Robert Monroe which is just one of us anyways. Reading your post here, I don't know. It just seems like it was important, an important historical event that someday I will remember vividly as the start of something, or something. ;) As I like to say, give me ambiguity, or give me something else!

Nice thinking kroeran.
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looks similar to me

I suppose if we wanted to get all left hemispheric, one could apply that new-fangled face recognition software, like they do dna testing

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That made me think of something that has nothing to do with this, of course. These scientists took a bunch of pictures of faces of relatives (I think it was relatives, it couldn't have been whole races) from generations and superimposed them upon each other which resulted in the specific similarities which could then be claimed as genetic markers, I guess. Facial features just lined right up in each family tree. Have you, or anyone heard about that?
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Hello all, what do you make of this audio by Seth, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4wIGHPhQ2U&NR=1

He states there were a few advanced civilizations before us on Earth. But where is the fossil record of these so called lumenians? I found the early part of the interviews understandable and at many times I could see many similarities to My BIG TOE but as it went on it became slightly kooky - underground civilizations, advanced technology, conquering other planets?

Viv,

Keep in mind the VR nature of PMR. Do you remember Tom's previous explanations of how things that are not made part of a permanent record, thus remaining conscious in some way return to the realm of probabilities. In a virtual world subject to periodic complete glaciation, plate tectonics, vulcanism and erosion, the probability of the retention of fossil records over perhaps 1000 centuries is low.

Ted

Hi Ted,

This may indeed be so but then how come we have such excellent fossil records on dinosaurs and the like? Now I am very open to the idea of advanced civilizations elsewhere in this PMR and other PMR's but the idea of advanced ancient civilizations with no real proof seems a bit far out in my view.

Atleast for the digital nature of reality there is a lot of evidence out there and a solid hypothesis to back it up. Lumerians though?

I'm in love with Lumarians now, I think I always have been.

Everyone knows that god put those fossils there to test people, and their willingness to believe anything. :P I'm kidding.
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Hi Viv,

I think the Luminians were just puny Human PMR-lings like us, a little bit geeky, skinny and unhealthy looking - but hard to distinguish as different to us under a few millennia of mud and weathering. As to certain indications of previous civilisations of this type - you may find the work of Dick Hoagland at the Enterprise mission (http://www.enterprisemission.com) stirs up further curiosity (monuments on mars, monuments on phobos, monuments on the moon - you name it, it probably has a monument). I immensely enjoy his essays. He also has a PMR-based theory on hyper dimensional physics and is a living example of open minded skepticism.

Nick

Lumenians
Lumerians
Lumarians
Luminians

I'm confused ;)

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