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i typed in Edgar Cayce and Robert Monroe, just for fun as you do!

and got this...http://www.jesusisright.com/content/blogcategory/24/79/

not what you may think at forst glance has the simular teachings we have all come to understand

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Hi Harvey

It's all good stuff bro,just take what you need and leave the rest.

Signal and noise comes to mind. :)


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i typed in Edgar Cayce and Robert Monroe, just for fun as you do!

and got this...http://www.jesusisright.com/content/blogcategory/24/79/

not what you may think at forst glance has the simular teachings we have all come to understand



Great stuff , I tell everyone to go directly to the source and find your own truth. go to the source of all religion and even mythology and you may find more similarities than differences

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The source of organized religion is mythological. Shamanism isn't religion in my understanding, and if what knowledge access those that could in the clan which showed where food, etc, probably could be found would have been continued in that form we'd have a different Reality, for awhile anyway. That is the sort of world view I think we are coming back into, and it is more maternal than paternal, although it is both I think.
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Shamanism is as much a religion as any other. And there are plenty of fake shamans just as there are many fake christians.

Anyway, I didnt feel as though we were discussing "Organized religion". (your prejudices may be showing) As far as Im concerned we were discussing "Higher spiritual principles". And the true message of Jesus.

maybe you didnt notice, but Toms Big Toe includes Theology. Just revisit the london lecture part 2 of 18 and see.

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Accessing the database on our own IS shamanism so anyone able to do so is free to do so. Perhaps "shamanism" isn't the same thing to you as it is to me?

This data I saw clicking on this was BS. The true message of Jesus is not in the bible, and you would have to have been him, or accessed the data of that lfe he experience to know what he meant, have you?
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Accessing the database on our own IS shamanism so anyone able to do so is free to do so. Perhaps "shamanism" isn't the same thing to you as it is to me?
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Perhaps. And perhaps "organized religion is not the same thing for you as it is for me.

And perhaps organized religion has led some people to the point where they were allowed to direct access to the data.

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Accessing the database on our own IS shamanism so anyone able to do so is free to do so. Perhaps "shamanism" isn't the same thing to you as it is to me?
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Perhaps. And perhaps "organized religion is not the same thing for you as it is for me.

And perhaps organized religion has led some people to the point where they were allowed to direct access to the data.
Perhaps when they stopped belief in it. It doesn't matter anyway because Truth is not fragile. It ain't in religion.
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Toms TOE seems to be truly all inclusive. My "TOE" MUST be all inclusive.

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Toms TOE seems to be truly all inclusive. My "TOE" MUST be all inclusive.
Does yours include infinity, because that is NOT real either. :)
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bette wrote:
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bette wrote:
Accessing the database on our own IS shamanism so anyone able to do so is free to do so. Perhaps "shamanism" isn't the same thing to you as it is to me?
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Perhaps. And perhaps "organized religion is not the same thing for you as it is for me.

And perhaps organized religion has led some people to the point where they were allowed to direct access to the data.
Perhaps when they stopped belief in it. It doesn't matter anyway because Truth is not fragile. It ain't in religion.
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"Truth is not fragile. It ain't in religion."

This may be a reflection of your "belief".

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bette wrote:
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Toms TOE seems to be truly all inclusive. My "TOE" MUST be all inclusive.
Does yours include infinity, because that is NOT real either. :)
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The finite is already beyond the ability of my limited mind to comprehend

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When I started reading Toms MBT it was to see if it fit within MY theory of everything, which I have been building for 30 years and so far I have found no conflict. My TOE includes all religions, mythologies, and all of science. And I am sure Toms TOE includes things that I have never even considered.

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Well sure all those things, and more, are included in an actual TOE. I never said religion didn't exist, I said it isn't fundamental to Reality. All those things you list are Belief Systems though, all religions, mythologies, and all of science, and are ALL NOT fundamental to Reality, but are just limiters.
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bette wrote:
Well sure all those things, and more, are included in an actual TOE. I never said religion didn't exist, I said it isn't fundamental to Reality. All those things you list are Belief Systems though, all religions, mythologies, and all of science, and are ALL NOT fundamental to Reality, but are just limiters.
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So, shamanism is ok because it grants direct access to the data? Then what about all the people throughout history that have told us that meditation is a path to awareness? What about all the people through the milennia who have obtained access to the data through the hindu, budhist, christian and islamic traditions? The information Tom presents in his lectures is not altogether new information, he just uses new metaphor to describe very old Truth. Also, there have been many individuals that have had the experience of guides long before Tom, only they may have called it a religious experience, or a spiritual experience.
Why would you be so quick to dismiss thousands of years of wisdom? And why would you feel the need to chase away any people coming from a religious backround seeking big truth?

I feel that you may be letting your prejudices cloud your judgement

Big truth is not fragile, but ego is

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