Thank you Ted -Tom's comments re Newton's work certainly help.

I have copies of Newton's two books (Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls) as well as a more recent one re Life between Life regression. I read them a while ago and considered them a little fanciful - but I will certainly read them again in new light!!!!

After I wrote my last message I had the thought that if my next life was a particularly difficult one, then it wouldnt be so bad if I had the knowledge and understanding that I do now - but when I am 10 rather than 49!!! I guess if you know who you really are beyond space and time and appreciate the illusory nature of our human life then it would be easier to deal with.

Thank you Alik and Sabby for your helpful comments too.

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it is of course not about being easier, being less difficult, its about learning at the soul level, and when there remains ego, there must be a series of ego challenging experiences to work through

switch your thinking from comfort -> challenge and learning

from impressing others -> to quietly being impressive, which will be evident to those paying attention

from surrounding yourself with impressive assets -> to surrounding yourself with "impressive" (quality) relationships, taking care to not overrshoot and go willy nilly "off grid".

winning the short PMR FWAU game -> winning the long NPMR IOUC game

absorption of self -> other centeredness and feedback

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Jane,

It wasn't a matter of suggesting that you re-read Newton's books but that you put them into Tom's perspectives. With your background, what I would suggest is looking around on the BB and on the Wiki. On the Wiki are a large number of Lectures that Tom selected out for background reading for his Event presentations and also as they answer questions that frequently arise. http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/To ... -_Lectures Mostly they are based upon posts and discussions from the Bulletin Board.

What I have been trying to steer you towards is quickly coming 'up to speed' around here and helping to resolve your immediate 'pain' ASAP. Eventually, I recommend your reading Tom's My Big TOE completely. Those here with long experience can tell you that multiple readings are necessary to really 'get' everything available in Tom's books. You still will probably not get everything that is there to be frank. I have never yet had a question that I asked Tom as regards some explanation or what I considered an expansion of his concepts that he has not been able to point to where it was there inherent in what he wrote, although perhaps not patently clear unless read with sufficiently high a level of understanding.

Understand that what you can both enjoyably and profitably do for the rest of your life is pointed to here in all of these various interactions and information sources. Not limited to here, but pointed to in terms of a deeper understanding to base whatever else you do upon. Such has been my past finding in regards to myself and is my opinion in regards to yourself, as I begin to understand something of your nature and history.

Ted

Jane,

most likely you had more than one or two previous lifes. Some of them could be very happy and comfortable, and others miserable and painful, or a mixture of everything in one pot. We all have had that, this is a learning process. Each time we start here with no memory of our previous lifes, otherwise it would be so much confusion added to our data stream. It feels at first, that each time we start from scratch. And in a certain sense not remembering who we were last time, learning to recognize our new body and walking, talking, interacting with people, all of that we have to learn as we would never have had it done before.

At the same time, all awareness, all changes on a being level, i.e. in our entropy and Quality of Consciousness (QoC) come with us every time we would incarnate in PMR. It is a slow accumulating process, and when we gain knowledge and awareness on a being level it is ours forever. Keep in mind, that entropy level could be reduced or increased, and QoC could go up or down, depends on how you live your present life, what kind of intent you have, how you interact with people and etc. Not remembering helps PMR learning to be more effective and productive. Think about a very popular management idea of multitasking. Several psychological researches have proved, that only an insignificant minority of people are able to perform multitasking at their best, the rest of us doing much better, when we have a chance to take one step or do one thing at the time.

We have to grow up to reach to a point where we can take up where left off last time. It is relatively speaking is easiest and fastest part in a developmental task. Gaining new awareness could be slow and tedious, but it worths it, each and every bit of it. But you know this already. :))

Lena

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Hello Ted and everyone.

I have another question about the nature of personality.

I have recently listened to a video on you tube of Tom talking about reincarnation - he refers to a scenario where by a person may have an issue with anger management - advising that the "system" would show that person a playback of him giving a "v" sign to another driver etc (I realise that this was said somewhat in jest) and that that person may then choose another life in order to work further on anger management.

I understand that Tom may use metaphors / words / scenarios / explanations that best meet the understanding of the audience that he is talking to and that the above is a broad simplification of the process.

I have also read recently a conversation on this board between Tom and somebody called Roland (sorry havent got the link to give you and I cannot use 'search' for some reason) - Roland asked Tom a question about personalities,

Tom's answer was:

If the evolutionary progress of one's consciousness is gradual (which is typical) then one would expect that personalities would be more or less consistent from life to life .....


However, I have great difficulty in accepting this - I perceive that our "personality" is very much a product of our brain. For instance my son shares very similar personality traits to my husband and I share many similar traits to my Dad.

Personality traits (such as being gregarious / sharing a certain sense of humor / having a quick temper / having a predisposition to sulking etc etc) in my opinion are as a result of either ones genetic make-up or as a result of ones childhood experiences.

I do not see "personality" as something that lasts much longer that our human brain.

For instance any "anger management" issue that we may have, in my opinion, is likely to come from the wiring of our brain and /or whether or not the adults who cared for us when we were very young responded appropriately to our needs (ie Attachment Theory).

The understanding that I have gained from MBT is that what travelled with me into this PMR / experience packet - is a certain potential QoC / potential to lower entropy / potential decision space. Have I got it wrong Ted??? Help....

Jane,

I would see you as placing too much emphasis on the human brain as cause as opposed to effect. Tom has made the comment before that Consciousness leads and the brain follows. Thus explaining an example of certain sheep which were determined to have a particular brain structure with an enlarged area associated with altruism, if I remember correctly, which Tom described as being the result of their learned behavior as IUOCs rather that the cause of their behavior as virtual sheep as they were incarnated in that 'trip' through PMR.

There are two factors involved. The PMR rule set which through genetics applies certain constraints upon our personality and virtual body including our virtual brain. Then there is our IUOC which is the real 'us' as our mind which must work within the afore mentioned constraints. Thus neurological disorders are probably not the result of our IUOC having something analogous to that disorder, peculiar to PMR genetics and the rule set here, but to that IUOC being constrained in that way by the genetics that an individual inherited from its parents. And as you note, having a certain trait in your parentage need not end up with it being represented in your behavior as some traits of the mother are passed on and some of the father are passed on and not exclusively one or the others traits. You get a mix and match per genetics.

The factors related to our IUOC are as Tom describes related to entropy and Quality of Consciousness. Obviously there would be some crossing over between these two factors. A relative newcomer, as Tom uses the metaphor of a kindergartner, has bad judgement, doesn't share and runs with scissors. That can happen trough genetics as well. An advanced and experienced IUOC, with low entropy and high Quality of Consciousness would not likely have these characteristics but still would be constrained by bad luck genetically. It would likely have some surprising abilities and maturities even if it did have genetic based problems. It is not a simple problem to sort out in fact. One would probably have to compare parents, grandparents, with child's traits and still not fully know because of the uncertainty. If a child had a surprisingly mature and other centered attitude, in no way related to parents or grandparents traits, then one might reasonably conclude that this was a matter of a very mature IUOC incarnating as that child. You would still not be certain however.

Ted

Thanks Ted

So would you describe our IUOC as having a personality then?

Inasmuch as a developing consciousness has a set of traits, proclivities, disinclinations, etc, why not?

Montana

Thanks Montana.
I really struggle with assigning anything immortal and "real" ie not virtual in MBT speak - with a personality. Personality I see as fleeting and changeable.

I am a childrens social worker and see lots of very damaged kids with what may be described as negative personalities. The Psychiatrists /Psychologists that we work with would put their "personalities" down to their very poor early experiences of parenting - ie they have formed an 'internal working model' of themselves as worthless and undeserving of love - and then act this out in their interaction with others. I cannot see that the anger that they are likely to grow up with could be attributed to some quality of thier IUOC.

I think that when we die the point of awareness or point of consciousness that we are may carry with it for a time some of it's virtual personality - until it re-synchronises with it's larger self.

Jane

I imagine that in the IUOC portion of their being... which is the part that lasts, that we 'take with us', this is experienced and recorded more as a frustration with the utility of the incarnation. Weiss's and Neuman's (sp?) books are helpful when considering that sort of thing.

Jane,

I do not know if this is absolutely and perfectly as Tom would say it. It is how I understand it. Our IUOC is more of a 'logic engine' or 'thinking machine' as opposed to a person, an entity with a personality. But it is not entirely a programmable thing like a computer that only does what it is programmed for so it is more complex than a PMR computer and does have a personality in the sense that it is better at some things than at others. Tom and I have discussed models and modeling before and he posted our discussion on the board. Models are simplifications to permit us as humans to understand things which are actually more complicated than our models. That being said, Tom's model is pretty good until science in the form of many dedicated explorers and analysts start to work on it and possibly come up with something more advanced.

What his model says, in part, is that our IUOC, in order to be provided with consciousness, has two data streams provided to it intermittently over the Reality Wide Web. One data stream represents the continuing consciousness of our continuing, nominally immortal, part experiencing NPMR. There we are bodiless and senseless consciousnesses. Senseless in the sense of no touch, taste, hearing, etc. are not included in our data stream that provides us consciousness. We do have access to data and have memories. We basically process that information in relation to our memories.

Then there is our PMR short time self. Our data stream that represents our PMR experience provides us with the experience of our senses. This data stream through our senses related data provides us with the experience of the content of our PMR experience. It provides us with the effects of the PMR rule set. If we go on a carnival ride in PMR, that data stream provides us with the swirling colors, the sound that goes with the ride, typically a calliope, and the whirling around sensation of the ride with the changing feel of vertigo, being compressed into your seat and so forth. It also provides the feel of your lovers hand in yours or holding your child's body next to yours. So everything comes to us through that data stream, both our senses and the apparent existence of everything that exists 'out there' as external to our body. Not to mention what is internal to our bodies if that is forced on our awareness.

Here in PMR there is a much heightened experience of interaction and also a much stronger feedback. We have personalities and emotions that we do not really have the scope for in our NPMR existence. That is why we come here. This stronger, much more intense experience, produces a much more rapid modification of our functionality as IUOCs. As a guess, I suspect that there is something more elaborate but like the neurological nets as simulated in PMR computers. It is probably the parameters that make these nets work and function that is probably 'trained' by our experience here. But that training takes time, multiple lifetimes to really get it tuned up for 'low entropy' and high Quality of Consciousness. I see our self within NPMR as being a gradual melding of all of the personalities developed over time as we come here to PMR. We integrate there with what we find that we have created here of most value. So if we become unusually good at empathizing with others in this life, our NPMR self will probably want to add that to its repertoire as much as possible. Sort of like wanting to emulate a friend whom we admire here in PMR.

Don't know whether this will help.

Ted

Thank you Ted. That has helped.

I think it does. IOUC is looking for an experience to learn, to reduce entropy and raise QoC. I would speculate, that IOUC can have some priorities at each stage of its development. These personality trades would be the most important learning goal for VR representation of IOUC. Constrains will be applied and the major personality characteristics start to shape up as a given person. Of course you know, that some children could resemble their parents in many ways, when others look and act like they are coming from another family, but at a certain age start to behave and look like their great-great uncle. You have to remember, that we are a VR representation of our IOUC. If we have a big ego, it means, that our IOUC is as smart and sensitive as we are. IOUC has a broader NPMR perspective, but we are here to make it smarter, wiser, reduce entropy and grow QoC. If we miss some good qualities most likely our IOUC doesn't have them either.

Lena

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Jane and Lena,

Let me add something that I didn't think to bring out in my last post or at least as clear as I wanted to. We function in three different modes at base.
1. As our IUOC as it functions as part of AUM and we know nothing about that, what we do or how we do it as we then are not conscious but are rather part of what creates the Consciousness of AUM. Not having a personality in itself, as having no way to express a personality, but being a part of the functioning of the personality of AUM.
2. As our IUOC as it experiences NPMR where we are our IUOC and its experience of NPMR. An FWAU as it has been called. It seems that we really cannot tell how to divide up things in terms of saying that our IUOC then has a particular personality or not. It seems that we are 'one thing' then and that that is our IUOC having the conscious experience of NPMR. Our IUOC can deal with some things better than others. That is where we could say that it has a personality in that it deals better with 'this' situation than with 'that' situation. It has proclivities and propensities. But I would think that it is in conjunction with our NPMR consciousness that it has its real personality as that is the summation of all of its past history of PMR selves as integrated after each life in a continually developing sequence.
3. As our IUOC as it experiences PMR where we are our IUOC and its experience of PMR. Again, an FWAU. It is the same IUOC as the IUOC that experiences NPMR, nothing more and nothing less, but it has a much more intense experience and thus a much more intense personality. It still has the proclivities and propensities, the ability to deal better with 'this' than with 'that' as it did in its role in NPMR. So I am inclined to minimize the 'personality' as such that I would attribute to our IUOC and instead attribute it, the personality, to the totality of the thing that our IUOC becomes when it experiences PMR as its consciousness applied on top of its ability to deal with its experiences of various types.

It would seem that the reduction of entropy and the improvement of the Quality of Consciousness of our IUOC amounts to improving its ability to deal equally with both 'this' and 'that', whatever they might be. To balance out our proclivities and propensities within our IUOC so that they are in essence eliminated and that we develop the ability to deal with 'it', whatever 'it' happens to be, that comes down the pike.

Not sure if this will add clarity for you or not. Not disagreeing with you, Lena. Just elaborating in what I hope is a useful way. I just tend to think in terms of wholes being greater than the sum of their parts so that our IUOC with its NPMR experience of consciousness is one whole thing and our IUOC with its PMR experience of consciousness is yet another whole thing.

Ted