Ms Jane,
Tom talks about personality in the latest video posts on his youtube site twcjr44. Really neat stuff. The Boston MBT Q&A. I forget which video he talks about it in but the entire series is totally worth it, very useful for me anyways as I had some similar q's...
If I find the specific part again I'll note it and fwd.

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"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Boy, a lot of speculation and assumptions being posted here. One thing i know for sure is that i am conscious and aware, and that part of me outside of space and time is playing a big part in what i am doing here. How that interface is happening is i think through intent, and even if we have bad luck so to speak with the virtual body becoming much more constrained than so called normal. whether it be through getting hurt, or genetics in evolution. We as consciousness can lessen our constraints through intent. consciousness leads the body follows. This i know without any doubt, from my direct experiences. Sabby

Fred,

you are pontificating again. It has been proven as a wrong method of communication on this BB.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

I learned it from my buddy Ted, calling it as he sees it. That of which i have always appreciated. No harm meant. Sabby

Sabby,
When your knowledge and awareness will reach Ted's level and Tom will ask you to be Admonistrator of this BB, may be after that somebody would accept your pontificating. Until that happens you'd rather change your style. You are already in your third incarnation here on BB. If you care to reduce your entropy don't compare yourself and others, no matter what their QoC and entropy level are. Ted is very knowledgble and helpful to others, but his duty as an administrator to keep this forum in order according to Tom's request and standards. Many people here add IMHO or something like that. Why wouldn't you do this too? It can slightly change how your posts sound.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

Lighten up Lena, i just try not to take myself so serious, but i do take MBT serious. I appreciate you being yourself, but other than you, i have had no complaints about my posting not being in line with MBT. Sabby

Fred,

You conveniently forget my frequent corrections.

Ted

I must say you do have a point, Toms deep desire is for us to go out and find our truth, and i do appreciate you making his model as clear as you can, to us all. Sabby

Sabby,

I am in a very good mood, thanks for caring and being attentive.

Taking MBT serious is good, prophesying your own understanding of it is a problem.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

Lena, i am glad you are in a good mood, well at least it is very probable you where around the time you posted. We all have problems from time to time. If you ever have any i can help you with, please let me know. Many thanks for your honest feedback. Sabby

Thanks probablechoices I will look at the videos.


Boy, a lot of speculation and assumptions being posted here. One thing i know for sure is that i am conscious and aware, and that part of me outside of space and time is playing a big part in what i am doing here. How that interface is happening is i think through intent, and even if we have bad luck so to speak with the virtual body becoming much more constrained than so called normal. whether it be through getting hurt, or genetics in evolution. We as consciousness can lessen our constraints through intent. consciousness leads the body follows. This i know without any doubt, from my direct experiences. Sabby

Thanks Sabby - I like the above.

Yes this has also been an area of concern. Not only is a large part of our personality based on genetics but I feel that a lot of psychological problems are rooted in childhood experiences and adolescent experiences (psychologists would probably agree). Those experiences seem rather random. For example a person born in a household where there was abuse would likely develop a lot of personality issues later on in life (addiction, depression, etc) that they would have to deal with. How does this relate back to NPMR/IUOC?

Also, it seems that most of the learning in our modern world doesn't translate very much outside of the virtual reality. A person can spend a lot of time in school/work learning something, but all that knowledge is for a specific skill that only applies in PMR. It looks to me like it's mostly a waste of time.

That would be my roll of the dice, this lifetime.

It's been interesting, to say the least.

Glad to have found Tom and Ted.

Hi,

I am quite new in that forum here. Recently, I have read Tom's MBT and it sounds really intersting to me. Also I have studied Robert Monroe, William Buhlmann and Robert Bruce and obe4u.com and Osho since 3 years now. However, my progress is near 0 according experiencing NPMR realms. However, still I can only conclude from my PMR perspective and I have neither proof for consciousness being the result of the physical or vice versa, but I have learned being open minded and sceptical is the only way to cope with that issue.

From the threat here and other threads it seems to me that we serve for a higher purpose while perceiving a PMR reality. But the "I" as "I" percieve it will cease away once PMR experience is over, right? Please correct me and I suppose that I am really in a very big belief trap. But doesn't Tom at some place say that after the end of a PMR experiuence "we, I" will take a small rest in NPMR and then go for another reincarnation and this in my interpretation all "remembering" will cease away for the "me" I was before? And even if the new PMR resident rembers he is not the person it was before. I do not remember who "I" was, "I" am just a datastream in the big system and will be stored somewhere as a nice dataset. If "I" do not remember in that way "I" remember that "I" am how "I" was than it is the same as never having exsited for me as "I" percieve myself right now. Consciousnes has percived my PMR exsitence, but it would be just a data set saved within consciousnes. "I" would have served, like the analogy Tom always uses, like a bacterium in the gut for the bigger picture, but the awareness of myself would have been ceased away since thousands of reincarnation of me have perceived themselves completely different.

So we are small artifical personalities in a bigger personality and are unplugged some day if we have served for the bigger personality? This would be the pessimistic way to see thinks, because I so much love knowing that I am.

Hope, I do not intervene too much in the discussion with what I have said. Any input would be highly appreciated.

Brain a lot of uncertainty in your post, all i can say without any doubt is that we are conscious and aware and experiencing. What happens after this in my opinion will take care of itself, all i try to do is to respond as positively as i can in the moment. And then let the rest fall into play in the natural unfolding of the system in play. We are apart of a much bigger reality than this buttoned down one we are playing in now. I tell myself to relax calm down everything is going to be just fine, if i just hang in there and do my best to create the future, by choosing wisely in the present.------ And does consciousness create matter, where do you think all of that physical matter comes from when you are dreaming. And where does it go when you wake up, it really was not there as you thought it was in the first place. This awaken reality is not here like we think it is nether, all any of it is, is just data in consciousness, coming from consciousness. Consciousness is all that there is, everything else is just virtual. This is my take from my experience, in correlation to MBT. Sabby