Tom talks about how something won't render unless someone is observing it. But how does he know this? Is this simply his hypothesis?

He says that, like a video game, it would be pointless to render something if no one is there...but wouldn't it take even more resources for the System to remember how much each IUOC recollects from every situation?

Another question is if things have to be rendered for microorganisms.

community,

This has all been discussed extensively and repeatedly here on the boards. So extensively that I don't know where to refer you as there is simply so much that you have not seen. Tom's model discusses the use of fractals in the creation and display of the PMR VR. If you choose to not believe this, that is your privilege. In a VR, what exists is the data that is streamed to you and every other IUOC to create your experience here. You don't get sent things which you cannot perceive is the simple way to put it. What you perceive within your stream of consciousness is in fact what is sent to you to create that stream of consciousness. Everything else is simply kept up to date as a probability by The Big Computer until when and if it is needed. All critters, with an appropriate IUOC 'attached' as their mind and decision maker, receive an appropriate data stream for their perception of the PMR VR. It does not matter whether we talk human, whale, dolphin, chimpanzee, gorilla, dog, cat, cockroach or micro-organism. They all represent IUOCs of appropriate level of functionality and receive an appropriate data stream to represent their participation in the PMR VR.

Ted

Thanks for your reply.

I'm wondering, do you disagree with Tom about anything?

Community,

I would try to not disagree with Tom about anything if I saw the possibility. I have placed a standing request with him to please let me know if I tell people incorrect things. I learn from Tom, I follow Tom, I attempt to help Tom. The only thing he has pointed out to me in the past has been that I should perhaps try to meet others more 'half way' in their understanding. I explained to him that to state something and agree with someone in a way other than how I understood it would just confuse me and that I could never be able to remember what I told anyone in order to maintain consistency if I did not simply state things as I understood them. I guess that he gave up on me there. I will no doubt phrase things differently than Tom does because of differences in our history. I do not begin to have Tom's abilities as a public speaker and to stay on the message as he does. I'm more of just a grumpy old man.

Does this answer your question?

Ted

Yes, that does answer my question, thanks.

Why is Tom too busy to regularly visit these forums? I know he has to do presentations and interviews, but it would only take a few moments to visit. I don't really know what takes up so much of his time, since probably most of the people in these forums have jobs/school as well.

Tom usually tells people in his presentations to be open minded but skeptical, or something like that. I thought he would want you to be that way of his ideas.

So why are you grumpy?

I don't know Tom's schedule in any detail. He does much more than his presentations. He has people writing to him with questions or seeking help and advice and guidance constantly. He has people asking him for emergency health services, through non physical intervention. He has a face book page where he answers questions. He prepares for his interviews or presentations. He travels to them. He occasionally walks the dog. He might even find time to talk to his wife on occasion. I suspect that he still sleeps a few hours a day, although probably doing double duty by NPMR travels then. No doubt, he does more than I am guessing here. He does come on the board occasionally. I send him updates of significant things going on or needing his particular attention. I have done the open minded/skeptical thing but I have also encountered the VR nature of our existence sufficiently in my own way to have gone past that as Tom's model of reality matching my own experience of reality very well. I've been there and done that in my own more limited way. I've even been privileged to help expand the model in small ways that Tom has welcomed.

People who don't like what I say to them consider me grumpy. My back and general spine aches frequently and I have constant arthritic pains, despite the high doses of vitamin C that I take, 12 gm/day, which if you are not aware, is an excellent anti inflammatory. I don't like the way the idiots who think they run the country try to do things. The right wingers are too effective in their lock step neo-fascism. The über rich are too readily successful in their efforts to buy control of the government through ubiquitous political venality. The left is too ineffective in their senseless bickering. The general electorate is too readily swayed with sound bites and slogans and simple minded superficial schemes for dividing and controlling us. If we are not careful, we will find ourselves in a right winger, religious fundamentalist controlled country with social services disconnected and peonage reinstated with any protest declared to be terrorism and subject to imprisonment without trial. World society marches cluelessly into a nexus of climate volatility, environmental destruction, food shortages, population increase, re-emergent fascism and pogroms, medical disaster. None of them know how to apply the principles of MBT, this being understandable because they know nothing of it. The list goes on. You will be old someday too (if you are lucky) and understand without asking.

Ted

I sure like that definition of grumpy, the things you point out are no doubt contributing to that. I have found since i have virtually stopped arguing those things that you bring up, of which i find has a big ring of truth. That i feel a lot less grumpy, i now am headed towards a mindset of self sufficiency, and am trying my best to get away from being a slave to the big businesses, the medical system included. As always i suggest to one to find a way that best suits one, in their pursuit to evolve and feel comfortable in doing such. About the only thing i point out when engaging in talks of these types, is WAR, and how much i am against it. It still amazes me how little people still care about our part in that. I guess it just has not gotten bad enough here to open peoples eyes to the bigger picture. Sabby

But where does Tom get all the specific information for his model? Is it something that the Big Cheese literally tells him or is it something that Tom thinks up on his own? Sometimes I wonder why Tom has this ability to interact in different worlds at such a high degree compared to everyone else.




I don't live in the United States. But it seems as if Obama will win and obamacare is going forward so it looks like the right wing are losing in your country. I think that Ron Paul would have been a good president. The right wing isn't all bad....I think Lincoln was from the Republican party.



So is Tom also very frustrated? He rarely seems to give personal details on things like political views and his own experiences of travelling in NPMR. I think a lot of people would be interested to know more about what exactly it is like to be in NPMR, communicating with different spirits etc.

Community,

You simply have not been around here and looked at older topics and used search enough to have more of these answers. I suspect you haven't finished Tom's books yet either, from what you ask. Even in the beginning of the books, he answers some of these questions and also in lectures. Tom has explained that this kind of information is not just floating around in NPMR. It is not really so codified as into a model there either. He did literally have to figure it out based upon his own explorations and interactions in NPMR. He has also explained that he was selected and trained for this job from a young age, although he forgot most of this until he recovered the memories much later. He has also explained that he normally and frequently works as kind of a 'trouble shooter' in NPMR, in a wide range of activities. He also explained how he worked with Robert Monroe who taught him all he knew about OOB travel. And if you have not noticed, he is a rather extra ordinarily capable person. He thinks very well on his feet. He has also told us here on the board what his Meyer-Briggs personality type is as an INTP. This makes him the quintessential architect, engineer, theorist and thus fits with his professional career and also his 'night job' as explorer and model developer about The LCS.

The Party of Lincoln is much changed from those times.

Tom does not consider himself in a position to go into so much personal information, being somewhat in the spotlight. He has actually said a fair amount, over time, that you have just not seen. And Tom has explained that he does not give out a lot of NPMR information as to details of experience with the repeated explanation that since it is a subjective experience, it is greatly controlled by past experience and belief systems. Therefore it would be a disservice to tell us what he saw things as, which would result in our being biased as to what we should see. The idea is that you should figure it out for yourself and that if he told a lot of anecdotes, this would only represent entertainment, not real or useful information.

Ted

Community,

you can discover how much rendering of this reality comes to your data stream on a regular basis, and you have an ability to expand it.

This is a very simple exercise, and you have to be patient and repeat it daily for several months.

In your room, where you know everything, sit comfortably with your eyes open and look at anything in front of you. You shouldn't stare at it, but look and pay attention to detailes. Notice light and shades, changes of colors, wrinkles and curvatures and etc. Ten-fifteen minutes is good enough. It is very helpful to write down what you have noticed each time. Observe the same object for a month or two and read your first notes. You will be surprised, how much you can see and have learned now about a very plane object in your room.

When you take a walk pay attention to the building, their windows and doors, door knobs and curtains on the windows, trees and their brunches, how people dressed and what cars are parked on a street, a sky and clouds, if it is windy, what happens to those leafs on a ground and on the trees. There is no end to this game. So many things to notice, you will be amazed, how many small and big details have never reached your eyes and mind before.

Lena

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Community,

The concept of a Virtual Reality is that it exists within The Big Computer as a vast, fractal (many levels of detail) probability field. It does not exist as a volume of space where these things are simulated like the concept of a holodeck from the Star Trek movies, which I presume that you are aware of. It's not that you exist walking around in a simulation. The simulation comes to your mind as an IUOC which rather is a digital awareness/mind existing on the Reality Wide Web, the universal communication buss which was anciently known as Indra's Net.

So nothing exists at this level except as its probability of existence. This is a representation in some kind of digital mathematical form that creates and maintains a probability field which says what the probabilities are that something exists and where it exists. In a very, very low probability, there is a lion, a tiger or a bear or some other kind of goblin/bogey man standing right behind you very quietly and about to take off your head. Or it could be the woman of your dreams about to tap you on your shoulder. Or perhaps Harvey, the Pookah, man sized rabbit. Can you turn around fast enough to catch a glimpse of what is behind you before it turns into your ordinary reality? Are you sure the bogey man isn't hiding behind you, avoiding mirrors, when there is no one else there to tip you off? Perhaps others see it but just lie to you. As the king said, I know I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there
He wasn’t there again today
I wish, I wish he’d go away...

When I came home last night at three
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall
I couldn’t see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door... (slam!)

Last night I saw upon the stair
A little man who wasn’t there
He wasn’t there again today
Oh, how I wish he’d go away

Agonish (1899) by Hughes Mearns

Kidding and messing with your mind aside, the next level of the concept of a Virtual Reality is that it exists as the data stream that is sent to you as an IUOC, and also to every other conscious entity experiencing the PMR VR from smallest to largest. You are not the 'you' of your experience sitting in a chair in front of a computer screen and reading this. You are a digital IUOC residing on the Reality Wide Web experiencing this based upon your subjective interpretation of the rendered data stream, provided by what we have come to call the Virtual Reality Rendering Engine as a sub function of The Big Computer. PMR as a Virtual Reality exists in no other way.

What exists for you is that data stream which creates your experience, including all of your internal sensations. If you use a stethoscope or other means, you can detect your own heart beat or in some circumstances, detect it by the thud, thud or the actual physical sensation of the blood 'pounding in your ears'. Otherwise, if you are not aware of it, it isn't there as not being rendered. Your buttocks upon which you feel yourself as sitting there, don't exist except as they are paid attention to and thus the sensation of sitting on them is rendered into this data stream. This all drops out of the probability field as you observe, or do not observe, the VR. What is behind you, or on the other side of the planet, or outside of the room in which you are sitting, is not rendered for you, unless you look out of the window. Look in a mirror. What you don't see, as the back side of yourself, is not rendered unless you use two mirrors to look behind yourself. Get the picture?

The 'little mouse under your chair' only has rendered for itself what a mouse in its physical location can observe. Or the same for your intestinal bacteria, which only exist in probability in the normal course of things unless something makes them act up (in probability) and force themselves on your awareness. Ever heard the joke definition of mind over matter, 'if you don't mind, it doesn't matter'? We posit that reality is very much like that. Matter does not exist unless you are mindful of it. What you do not see before you and observe with your senses, does not exist, except as a probability. What you do see before you and observe with your senses exists only as the data stream coming into your mind which provides the subjective experience of that existence.

On this basis, why would you receive information in that data stream that you cannot be aware of?

Ted

You could read Bob Monroe or Bruce Moen for detailed accounts, but perhaps Tom does not go into details for good reason so that you would not experience NPMR through the perception/belief system of others, as your expectations would likely pollute your experience.

Tom rarely goes into detail as far as how your are to live your life, except for four distinct areas:
- expand your intent focus from self/ego/fear toward other/community/love, but this is more like where you pay attention to your intent->feedback loop, and doing what comes naturally, rather than pretending to be something you are not or because Tom says so.
- meditate in some form
- specific dietary recommendations based on his unique research regarding clarity as well as comments on the ethics of meat eating which is directly connected to killing
- taking responsibility for your life and not blaming others for your conditions or attitude

each person will interpret Tom's words according to their own lens, their own experience base, their own self interest, their own quality of consciousness - his words can be used to justify a liberal or a conservative view of the world. Some will use his words or thought fragments to launch proverbial philosophical "holy wars". Food fights will break out like a Monty Python scenario with people beating each other over the head with the Trilogy. ; - )

I see a compassionate/pragmatic Republican in his words and lifestyle, Ted and others see a Democrat, but more importantly, Tom has to keep his eye on the ball, which is to inspire people to entrain to their intent->feedback loop, ... turning half the population off by taking sides in that debate would not be profitable.

I think you have to put Tom's words in the context of what has come before in what we could call evidentiary mysticism...mediumship, police psychics, past life remembrance, esp, remote viewing, NDE, OBE, Monroe and his other offshoots such as Moen, ghost hunters...and ponder the question...is all this just made up or wishful thinking? The proverbial...are these people nuts or what?

Then you add to the mix the current themes of physics and its outer edges, what the priests of the left hemisphere are telling us...and this is no less strange - this is clearly not your father's world which ends with a sharp car and a white picket fence in the suburbs.

So you take physics and evidentiary mysticism, put them together, and sort of binaural beat emerges, fits, which is Tom's Theory of Everything, not only the physics of the small, and the Newtonian physics of the large, but as well, the theory explains evidentiary mysticism, as well as the core love teaching of all the persistent religions (notwithstanding the persistence of humans in dragging valid teachings into the mud of ego).

Reading about this is good clean egoic fun, and you could kill another couple of years reading Monroe and Moen and arguing about TOEism here on this forum...or you could actually do what Tom suggests, which is to start living your life with greater efficiency.

This begins with being kinder to your sensor platform with your diet, being kinder to your pragmatic self by stopping blaming others for your problems, and being kinder to your higher self through being less self centered, perhaps like what the Buddhists call Hinayana, the lesser vehicle - focus on care for the self, in all its complexity, as a starting point.

The Buddhist mahayana "greater vehicle" is to renounce care for the self, and vow to seek the enlightenment of everyone else, before yourself, which is 99% loving action, and perhaps 1% teaching, when asked.

Tantra appends beyond this to the Dance of Life, spiritual off roading where there are no rules.

The point is to start the process, start shifting your diet gently, without guilt, start spending at least one minute alone with your IUOC per day, as a starting point, start paying attention to your interactions with others, start viewing apparently negative FWAUs in your life as necessary challenges for you to work through or around with empathy.

Your Intent is in a war of sorts with your ego, which conspires to keep you from doing these things, but the ego is like the shell around the chick, and by design, it must eventually submit to the inevitable, perhaps, now, perhaps when you are 85 and have an hour of breath left.

So part of TOEism is to proverbially kill Buddha if we meet him on the road, because Buddha and Tom are barriers to beginning your work, once you have been briefed on your mission.

If you choose to accept this mission....; - ) image of tape fizzling out (Mission Possible)

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So Randy, the moral of the story is do not be afraid to be yourself. So many people act a certain way because they think they are suppose to., they are really not that way. This i think is where growth slows down, or stops. That annoying fear created ego does present a problem to let ones self blossom. Sabby

Randy stop doing this to Tom he is NOT what you think he is. It's already going to be hard enough for him and his family to have normal lives when this finally tips all the way. Please?
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

Randy,

one's intent is not in a war with one's ego. One's Intent (a big I) is who one is without thinking, analyzing or any other intellectual exercises how to do this or that. Intent (a big I) comes first and thinking and etc. comes afterwords. One's ego is one's mirror and it is connected to Intent. One's intent (a small i) is a reflection in this mirror. One can adjust or manipulate one's intent, but not one's Intent. One's ego is all about utilizing intellect to make everything work to be comfortable no matter why and what one does and what kind of outcome it could bring to others.

Tom could be a barrier only to those, who wishes to be organized and believe in MBT. Otherwise one doesn't have to have Tom's statue on one's altar, or his picture on a wall to pray daily for help and support. Even more, it would be totally unreasonable to hold a desire after so many meditations and eventual enlightenment to become Tom. Tom is not an ordinary man, but we will be hold responsible for turning MBT message into a new emerging religion.

Lena

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