Did you get your questions and concerns answered yet?

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May our communications be complementary.

Bette,

Since it did not strike your attention that The One Consciousness allowed us to become IUOCs instead of remaining the proto-IUOCs that in their Union and interaction are The One Consciousness, consider this viewpoint.

If the nature of reality founded in pure mathematics from the PMR viewpoint did not include the propensity toward emergent complexity as self organization so that the proto-IUOCs that became us were not created with the RWW created as an interconnecting network, then The One Consciousness would not have had the free will option available to come into existence. If reality as the LCS as essentially a vast cellular automaton did not develop this structure, then communication could have only been local as all messages would be absorbed locally within "line of sight" travel. This is what permitted and allowed the LCS to become unified as The One Consciousness. If we had not come into existence as the proto-IUOCs as the bounded sub sets of that vast cellular automaton of the LCS, consciousness could never have arisen. This structure, consisting of us as proto-IUOCs interconnected by the RWW, is what created the meta-reality with the free will element that permitted the whole thing as a meta-reality to develop out of randomness and meaninglessness.

What permitted or allowed what to occur is entirely a feature of PMR thinking and point of view. What really exists is the "Isness" of all that is.

Ted

Tom says ultimately "we're all one". He said it at the Charlotte get together. How is it more than giving yourself permission? It seems to me that expecting someone else's permission is little picture logic. It could be the words and not the idea that I have issue with I guess.

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Beau,

I suggest reading the whole thing from the beginning. You are getting lost in the meaning of words from the PMR perspective and feeling that for something to be permitted is perhaps degraded and dependent. The fact that the earth rotates around the sun yearly and around its own axis daily permits the sun to rise every morning and set every evening. It does not make the sun and the earth persons or entities and superior or inferior to each other in some way so that the superior permits the inferior to experience the rising of the sun. Comprehend that it is a mutual relationship and that the relationship is what permits the PMR experience of the rising and setting of the sun from the perspective of the earth. It is entirely an interdependent relationship.

The same interdependence is being described here in terms of the relationship between The One Consciousness and ourselves as IUOCs. If we had not come into existence as proto-IUOCs during the development of the LCS, then The One Consciousness could not have come into existence as it depended upon the presence of something like us communicating over the RWW in order to express free will and develop its consciousness. Likewise, if The One Consciousness had not come into existence and created the Virtual Realities for us as IUOCs to experience our own consciousnesses, then we would have remained proto-IUOCs without the consciousness. It is a relationship of mutual dependence for reality to have developed in the way that it has done. As Tom said, we are all ONE.

Likewise, Bette, having an antipathy to the concept of God and religion based upon her life experience, is not happy that The One Consciousness might be thought of as God and to have created us by establishing the conditions, the situation, that permitted us to come into existence as conscious entities. Yet for others coming from the direction of religious belief, it is of value for them to understand that this concept could be applied to The One Consciousness so they do not take the explanation and model of our reality that Tom Campbell developed and see it as anti religious. Mystics have for millennia perceived our existence as being Unitary with God, and at the same time holding a much higher conceptualization of the nature of God, while simple religionists might not understand this and perhaps even conceive it as blasphemous to say that we as humans are part of God. But at higher levels of understanding, the understanding of mystics has in fact been understood as the right conception and perception of the situation. This point of view permits those who come from religion to understand that Tom Campbell's TOE does not negate religion but rather confirms religion at its core and highest level, although not at its low level beliefs. Unfortunately, this understanding is likely to be beyond religious fundamentalists.

You must be subtle in your usage and understanding of words and not be trapped into beliefs by ignoring some meanings in favor of others.

Ted

That's a great explanation, Ted. Thanks for that. Now I see exactly what you are saying and it makes good sense.

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"All the world's a Stage and all the men and women merely players, They have their exits and their entrances and ONE man in his time plays many parts, his acts beings Heaven ages"---Shakespeare

Beau,

Thank you for working through that. I know that I put difficult concepts out there and perhaps don't make them clear enough. I just hope that Bette understands equally as well. I fully understand and sympathize with her position and attitude, or at least I think that I do, but from my position, religion cannot be denigrated and that relationship I described must be given a place in our understanding, not to negatively impact on Tom's work by chasing away someone coming here from that direction.

Ted

Interesting,
And profound...
It MAY in fact be as simple as this... "giving yourself permission".
It may NOT be easy, but it just might be this simple.
Kind of like: "learning to forgive yourself", "love yourself", "Overcome fear". and "Becomming Love"

We cant do it until we CAN DO it. Even if we think we know, we dont really know, until we REALLY know. Ya know?

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peace
patrick

Yes. exactly how I feel too. Like John Lennon said to the Bible thumper: "When you know, you know".

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"All the world's a Stage and all the men and women merely players, They have their exits and their entrances and ONE man in his time plays many parts, his acts beings Heaven ages"---Shakespeare

Nothing you can do that cant be done. bum ba dum.
Nothing you can sing that cant be sung, bum ba dum.
Nothing you can do, but you can learn how to be you inside.....

Its easy. All you need is LOVE.

LOL

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patrick

"EVERYBODY!"

I am he as you are me as we are all together!

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"All the world's a Stage and all the men and women merely players, They have their exits and their entrances and ONE man in his time plays many parts, his acts beings Heaven ages"---Shakespeare

Patrick,

I suggest that you also read the whole thread to understand the discussion.

Ted

Ted,

'permitted' sounds very reasonable, and fits well into MBT model.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

there are a few wise people out there that understand that the opposite of love is fear, not hatred or evil. hatred and evil are results of fear. this is the same conclusion that i have come to understand through logical deduction -by tracing the causes of things that make me mad or angry. they always trace back to some sort of fear. however, to make things simple i''ll use the concept of evil to try and make a point:
in the minds of men, that which is not Love is considered to be evil. man's anthropomorphization of evil is the devil and demons. since demons/the devil are nothing more than conceptualizations of evil, it is easy, at least for me, to view evil as high-entropy consciousnesses. this is why i consider evil to be equivalent to making choices that result in higher-entropy. who needs a devil or demons when we have men in this PMR making high-entropy decisions that cause so much pain, agony and death to others!

ted's comment on why your body can't be 'hi-jacked' is more than adequate, but i'l give you one more reason why bodily-possession is more ill-conceived than it is fact; (i heard bill buhlman say this one) you are effectively OOB for 1/3 of your life -while in the dream state- so possession would be massively rampant if it was possible.

i hope these observations can help you dismiss some of your fears:)

Who knows what evil lurks in the hears of men? The Shadow knows! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .

be careful not to confuse the source teaching with what the teaching has been corrupted into over a couple a thousand years by an array of intent, some benign and some otherwise, further diluted and redirected by ineffectiveness

you will be more effective in discussing/critiquing Religion, and the dominant religion in your zone (Christianity), by actually reading one of the gospels and introducing debate on that text. It will only take an hour of your time. I suggest a modern translation of Luke.

my data strongly suggests that the voice you will hear there, if you have ears to hear, is the same voice that you hear from our fearless writer.

although it is not their fault, persons of low QoC and data processing capacity attach themselves to all good things and corrupt and distort them...its already happening to MBTOE, and a mountain of awful intents will be done in the name of MBTOE over the millennia.

that being said, I would not be so certain that the hell fire bible thumper operating out of that strip mall beside your liquor store is part of the problem - he may be a big part of the solution that we just don't quite understand

this would be for someone of very high QoC and data processing capability, with large database of exposure to this level of apparent disorganization, to figure out and give an opinion.

one fellow from a small town once said to me, for the uneducated in the older generation, people in small towns faced a binary choice, the bible or the bottle. I tend to believe anything in the operating environment that persists, has an efficient purpose, that we perhaps don't yet understand.

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