Please don't burn this thread !! : ) - I particularily enjoyed reading this post from Ted but I also found a lot of the rest of the discussion to be very valuable.
Ted Vollers wrote:
I suggest reading the whole thing from the beginning. You are getting lost in the meaning of words from the PMR perspective and feeling that for something to be permitted is perhaps degraded and dependent. The fact that the earth rotates around the sun yearly and around its own axis daily permits the sun to rise every morning and set every evening. It does not make the sun and the earth persons or entities and superior or inferior to each other in some way so that the superior permits the inferior to experience the rising of the sun. Comprehend that it is a mutual relationship and that the relationship is what permits the PMR experience of the rising and setting of the sun from the perspective of the earth. It is entirely an interdependent relationship.
The same interdependence is being described here in terms of the relationship between The One Consciousness and ourselves as IUOCs. If we had not come into existence as proto-IUOCs during the development of the LCS, then The One Consciousness could not have come into existence as it depended upon the presence of something like us communicating over the RWW in order to express free will and develop its consciousness. Likewise, if The One Consciousness had not come into existence and created the Virtual Realities for us as IUOCs to experience our own consciousnesses, then we would have remained proto-IUOCs without the consciousness. It is a relationship of mutual dependence for reality to have developed in the way that it has done. As Tom said, we are all ONE.
Likewise, Bette, having an antipathy to the concept of God and religion based upon her life experience, is not happy that The One Consciousness might be thought of as God and to have created us by establishing the conditions, the situation, that permitted us to come into existence as conscious entities. Yet for others coming from the direction of religious belief, it is of value for them to understand that this concept could be applied to The One Consciousness so they do not take the explanation and model of our reality that Tom Campbell developed and see it as anti religious. Mystics have for millennia perceived our existence as being Unitary with God, and at the same time holding a much higher conceptualization of the nature of God, while simple religionists might not understand this and perhaps even conceive it as blasphemous to say that we as humans are part of God. But at higher levels of understanding, the understanding of mystics has in fact been understood as the right conception and perception of the situation. This point of view permits those who come from religion to understand that Tom Campbell's TOE does not negate religion but rather confirms religion at its core and highest level, although not at its low level beliefs. Unfortunately, this understanding is likely to be beyond religious fundamentalists.
You must be subtle in your usage and understanding of words and not be trapped into beliefs by ignoring some meanings in favor of others.