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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:47 pm 
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Another Discover article I've not read, but you can if you choose to.

Using computer processors that behave like neurons in the neocortex, Henry Markram is inching closer to building a simulated human brain—a truly conscious machine.
by David Kushner; photography by Robert Huber

From the December 2009 issue; published online February 5, 2010

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/dec/05 ... s%20Brains
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:25 am 
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I think that, in order to be able to build true Artificial Intelligence, the human model must be let go of. To be successful in building AI consciousness one would probably have to start from scratch, assuming that the consciousness he or she is going to create is totally different from ours. Trying to build artificial human brains is probably no more than a hindrance to true AI development.


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Oh hello-kitty, now I need to read the article because I think I have something to say, but need more info first, thanks quamta for making me have to learn something on purpose; no really, thank you. ;)
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quamta wrote:
I think that, in order to be able to build true Artificial Intelligence, the human model must be let go of. To be successful in building AI consciousness one would probably have to start from scratch, assuming that the consciousness he or she is going to create is totally different from ours. Trying to build artificial human brains is probably no more than a hindrance to true AI development.
Wouldn't "true Artificial Intelligence" have to build itself? That just popped out, one of those things, I may or may not "have something" here.
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bette wrote:
quamta wrote:
Wouldn't "true Artificial Intelligence" have to build itself? That just popped out, one of those things, I may or may not "have something" here.


You would still have to build the constraints and the ruleset. These cannot build themselves, otherwise we'd be talking about "natural" life here, not AI. In order for consciousness to be considered AI it has to be manmade.

I'm skeptical about all this AI-thing, where humans are able to create consciousness by means other than biological reproduction, but Tom seems to know otherwise. Who knows... about four years ago, when I had no idea about this TOE, I somehow got interested in how cells work, and hence DNA, and I remember being deeply disturbed by the fact that all those DNA codes and how the ribosomes assembled proteins out of them were highly reminiscent of how machine code and assembly language work. So much so that I didn't want to think about it too much: "how can it be that nobody has thought this DNA thing is just like computer language? I must have misunderstood something", I thought.


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quamta wrote:
bette wrote:
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Wouldn't "true Artificial Intelligence" have to build itself? That just popped out, one of those things, I may or may not "have something" here.


You would still have to build the constraints and the ruleset. These cannot build themselves, otherwise we'd be talking about "natural" life here, not AI. In order for consciousness to be considered AI it has to be manmade.

I'm skeptical about all this AI-thing, where humans are able to create consciousness by means other than biological reproduction, but Tom seems to know otherwise. Who knows... about four years ago, when I had no idea about this TOE, I somehow got interested in how cells work, and hence DNA, and I remember being deeply disturbed by the fact that all those DNA codes and how the ribosomes assembled proteins out of them were highly reminiscent of how machine code and assembly language work. So much so that I didn't want to think about it too much: "how can it be that nobody has thought this DNA thing is just like computer language? I must have misunderstood something", I thought.

Umm....I think this has been done, this AI thing, but not by humans, by Consciousness. Oh Our AUO, we are AI!?
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Okay on page 2 it says what I was thinking, they are using reverse engineering. Seems like the way we would think of doing it, considering that is what we think it enough to understand Consciousness (the human brain), we being "them", of course. ;)

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Henry Markram TED talk.
http://www.ted.com/talks/henry_markram_ ... k.facebook
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