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 Post subject: Re: Two Kinds of Evil?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:39 pm 
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well played! ; - )

I guess this raises the question, is fear part of "normal" entropy, or is it an independent vector that arises like a disease?

do we all have this fear disease, like we all have entropy, or is it something that attacks, like some sort of marble rust?

I wonder if carving the stone is the actual point...the point being the journey, rather than arriving at the station

like, if we ever got done, you would have go erase it like a Tibetan sand painting, so AUM would have the pleasure of doing it again...and have something to fill the time

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Have you ever been in a job where one individual drags the whole office down and everyone's work suffers? Rather than admire his beautiful potential, you have to get rid of him/her.


well, maybe we are not the artist, the artist may be above our pay grade - we are the block further along the line, or not as far along the line (it is very hard to be aware of our own entropy), who has to interact with the said block-head ; - )

you may be thrilled at the precocious genius of your summer student, that you hope to form into a productive worker, but your assistant, maybe not so much.

if I am understanding Tom's model correctly, it seems that the system is intentionally set up with this interaction baked into the system, this interaction between the "fresh meat" and cured hams, and there is indeed energy transfer, from low entropy entities to high entropy entities, when they interact - and it is draining, but the low entropy entity is sufficiently organized for this purpose, and makes an actual profit from the interaction in the longer term, however painful the interaction may be in the short term.

Where there is effective decision space, it is indeed advisable to jettison high entropy entities in the workplace and avoid them when forming core relationships, in most contexts, when the decision space is available. There is normally sufficient expanse of entropy in interactions for learning, without having to deal with exceptionally entropic individuals who have overreached and interviewed themselves into jobs beyond their capacity, whether we are talking technical or soft skills.

We also have to parse out entropy and effectiveness. Some individuals are high entropy, but high effectiveness, which is the normal prerequisite for senior management and corner offices. ; - )

I think a core message of MBTOE is that high entropy individuals are not to disrespected and should not become fodder for our sense of superiority.

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kroeran wrote:
I guess this raises the question, is fear part of "normal" entropy, or is it an independent vector that arises like a disease?


Maybe fear is the "human version" or "biological version" of high entropy...like, there could be some other reality where high entropy is manifested differently. Say there is a PMR in which there is abundance of material resources, no pain, and not such dangerous living situations--there is very little to fear there...Maybe the purpose of this alternate PMR is utterly on relationships between entities so high entropy is manifested in some other form. I can't take the idea much further, I can't imagine it. But the idea is, we have fear since we evolved in such a precarious reality.

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well, maybe we are not the artist, the artist may be above our pay grade - we are the block further along the line, or not as far along the line (it is very hard to be aware of our own entropy), who has to interact with the said block-head ; - )


lol. Maybe we can simultaneously be sculptors sculpting others, sculptures being sculpted by others, and sculptures sculpting ourselves, depending on our role and the situation and the interaction...

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I do not believe "evil" exists at all. There is no force, or field, or particle, or wave that contains, carries, moves or dispenses anything called evil. I think we would all be better off if we realized this, and just got rid of the word. For me it's all about intent, intent can lower entropy or it can raise entropy, but there is nothing out there called evil that is causing entropy raising intent.

BTW control and force have nothing to do with the concept of "evil". I exert control and force by securing a gate on my staircase so my 2yr old doesn't fall down the steps. Control and force can lower entropy or raise it depending on intent.


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I do not believe "evil" exists at all. There is no force, or field, or particle, or wave that contains, carries, moves or dispenses anything called evil. I think we would all be better off if we realized this, and just got rid of the word. For me it's all about intent, intent can lower entropy or it can raise entropy, but there is nothing out there called evil that is causing entropy raising intent.

BTW control and force have nothing to do with the concept of "evil". I exert control and force by securing a gate on my staircase so my 2yr old doesn't fall down the steps. Control and force can lower entropy or raise it depending on intent.
Yes not all manipulation is bad. :)
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Cosmic Journeys by Rosalind McKnight

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"Just as you allow yourself to be confined through your mental and emotional levels, you can free yourself by releasing fears and negative concepts. It is possible to be confined whether in or out of the body. You are exactly the same personality when you drop the body as you were before. Therefore, it is important to have continual cleansing of the emotions of fear,anger, and hostility.

"Always remember that a soul’s own hostility and fear harm that soul more than anything else. But at the same time, thought-forms are very powerful and can affect others also.Therefore, you harm not only yourself, hut also those toward whom the anger is directed. It is important to break into these negative thought-forms and release them. We use the term “negative” meaning that the energy flow is blocked.

"Work toward the higher levels of light and love. Each soul has within it the highest capacity to love. The negative energies block the love flow. Love energy is a level of energy within all life. It is the pure form of energy. Love is a pure form of energy that recognizes itself within all levels of life. It is the highest level of energy within every life form. This is the essence of love. It is that which recognizes itself.

"Ask for help in releasing the negative energies. There is always assistance for those who seek help. “Seek, and you shall find.” There are many helpers, angels, guides, working to help you be released into your higher selves. You must learn to forgive and forget."

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bette wrote:
taster101 wrote:
I do not believe "evil" exists at all. There is no force, or field, or particle, or wave that contains, carries, moves or dispenses anything called evil. I think we would all be better off if we realized this, and just got rid of the word. For me it's all about intent, intent can lower entropy or it can raise entropy, but there is nothing out there called evil that is causing entropy raising intent.

BTW control and force have nothing to do with the concept of "evil". I exert control and force by securing a gate on my staircase so my 2yr old doesn't fall down the steps. Control and force can lower entropy or raise it depending on intent.
Yes not all manipulation is bad. :)
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you manipulating capitalist, you! ; - )

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