edit: For any future wanderers into this thread, this was a subjective stream of information from NPMR filtered through my own ego and current level of understanding of MBT. I posted to see what kind of response or analysis it would receive here simple as the raw data presented as it streamed in real time without any subjective disclaimers or editing. I in no shape of form believe in any of this but it is interesting to see how easy it would be to become self convinced of the information that is being streamed as real and accurate and how that fits in with the "alien" channellers out there speaking on 2012 while presenting the data as objective truth.



I have not personally visited the DMT elves but since joining this forum and communicating to Ted directly I can feel the light of love emanating directly into my being blasting out all the negativity and darkness which can only ever exist as a mere shadow of light!

I personally have had a connection to the astral database today and made some connections that I am not sure if Ted or Tom have made yet since I have a thorough background in entheneogens in my youth trying to figure out what the hell is really going on inside and out I feel like this is a fascinating insight to share.

The DMT Clockwork elves are described as joyful gleeful playful full of love and compassion existing in a dimension much higher that this 3D plane and is almost impossible to decode into our terminology.

When you smoke it you have a chance of visiting this entity if you are in the right "state" being a positive and open one and if you have negative feelings there is a report where someone was teleported to a plane where alligator like creatures raped him for 5 minutes.

My insight now after putting this all together is that if you smoke DMT and you have a low enough entropy to enter the Higher Self's dimension you are actually visiting your true self busy at work bubbling in glee with all the love and empathy it has been sent from all its IUOC's out there including you and when you see it you cannot comprehend how unbelievably out of this world ridiculous the dimensions and light is going in from our 3D plane and your Higher Self or the "Clockwork Elves" tells you lovingly to not give into astonishment then it will teach you how to create words made of bubbling love to communicate with it and time is warped beyond any recognition with some experiences lasting for hours and then they come out and it has only been 5 minutes and they can barely remember anything at all beyond what has been transcribed so far.

The other connection I made to this is I remembered seeing an Alex Jones video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKzuzjjCro where he spoke of DMT for a few minutes randomly and for no purpose which at the time i thought was propaganda but he spoke of the NWO injecting DMT since the 30s to access the "Clockwork Elves" but in a completely twisted and negatively higher entropy intellectual fashion where they transcribed the plans for the atomic bomb and also the Hadron Collider itself to destroy us all.

At the time I thought he was spouting his usual bullhorn of propaganda but now I see it in the context of him BULLHORNING FEAR as the tool of elite to raise the entropy of all the consciousnesses that can listen to raise the entropy as high as possible to extreme fear of anyone that is listening to convert love and compassion into panic based higher entropy run for the hills spread and hide their coming to get you sonic negativity blasted as far as possible.

All Alex Jones has ever done is speak extreme fear at EXTREMELY INTELLECTUAL SERIOUS EGO levels and has never offered any solutions any has faked crying multiple times.

My second insight is that Alex Jones just let loose the truth for a bit as a cryptic message for anyone that can truly decipher it.

By decode of this message is that the NWO/Elite/Ruling Class what have you is basically in the deepest realms of negative high entropy that there can be as their own Higher Selves are the most negative entities in the astral plane and only through extremely highly injected doses of DMT can they blast their higher entropy beings into the Higher Selves realm to download information from it since they cannot connect to the NPMR in their current form of entropy and this is the only way that these highest entropy Higher Selves can send NPMR data to them to create destruction (Atom Bomb).. Oppenheimer remarked later that it brought to mind words from the Bhagavad Gita: "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

And now if my NPMR information i received is correct the hadron collider is these Higher Entropy Selves latest attempt to either destroy our entire PMR like the atom bomb instructions downloaded to the NWO in the 30s or smash their way through into our world somehow hacking the PMR's psi uncertainty limit by creating a tunnel through our PMR's boundary so that these Higher Entropy Selves can strike fear and become the true destroyer of our worlds.

I believe that there is a balance at play though with incarnation of the creator of the microchip who on LSD downloaded the plans of the microchip from the NPMR now which is completely understandable now when it is all put in perspective.

This download was given to us to combat these attempts at raising our entropy through the crystal (silicon) network of interconnected conciousnesses called the Internet.

We were given an internal conciousness grid to communicate with at the speed of light like an NPMR within our PMR for conciousness to communicate on at real time to thwart any attempts that were made by the NWOs plans to control and rule us through fear so that we can keep our entropy low and balance the tide of their DMT Higher Entropy Selves downloads of "worlds destruction".

The DMT elves everyone experiences are full of love and higher dimensionality compassion, so if these are truly a reflection of our Higher Lower Entropy selves like i was told in the astral database than by extension a IUOC with extremely high entropy using some kind of hack to reincarnate back in the same family further deepening the higher entropic line of ego by inbreeding their blue blood before they were 2000 reincarnations deep into higher entropy and could still access the DMT realm taking control of the last chance we had at becoming a truly low entropic humanity after the ages of philosophy and thought and exploration of the higher realms through alchemy and entheogenic training I believe that our global entropy was so low that Christ was incarnated again to be the beacon of love and empathy that was needed to unify everyone as brothers and sisters and not to fear anything because all that is real is heaven where his father is waiting for them to join him in the heaven of light and love aka the dimension where the DMT elves journey to when they are so fully of our collected compassionate lower entropy that they can move on to the next level where everything is manifested through pure empathic entropy which is the highest form of energy I am being told is known by my own Higher Selves and within this realm everything is astonishing beautiful sculptures made directly out of love in unison as one neural network of the lowest entropic energy combined to build things beyond meaningful possible explanation beyond Christ Entropy expressed with totality and freedom in a symphonic weaving of AUM's highest processing power possible.

When Christ attempted to tell us that he was his father and NOT TO FEAR DEATH for we are one in his fathers kingdom and they crucified him because they wanted to hear him scream but he never screamed once because why would one who is at christ entropy who realizes the total system that we now know thanks to our own personal savior Tom Campbell that death is an illusion and only through this demonstration of his unwavering belief and compassion to the very end he was one with AUM and was allowed to return as his own to send messages to the scribes to record the information for the next chance of our ascension into the Christ Entropic Realms which was met with furious backlash by the Higher Lower Negatives giving us the pope and the dark ages where magic and sorcery of any kind was banned and hunted down to kill all who possessed any glimmer of Christ Entropy.

An angel told the creator of science to rule by measure which was the birth of the renaissance and the lowering of entropy was once again ready to manifest itself into awareness and cooperative consciousnesses exploring our worlds inside and out until the Scientific community was infiltrated by the materialists who put the hammer into any sort of belief that there is anything beyond what we can objectively prove because they were playing as pawns to the Elite because the elite knew that the higher realm cannot be proven objectively because consciousness itself is fundamental and that this realm is nothing but an illusion which is limited and the only way out is through consciousness subjectivity.

Fast forward to Quantum Physics when the cork in the elites materialist bottle was once again popped by a man I believe had NPMR access and it was decided that our entropy was low enough to once again believe in the higher realms of conciousness proven by the experiments showing that conciousness is fundamental to the illusions rendering which completely broke the materialist spell cast upon the world slowing our Entropic Lowering for a few hundred years of smashing everything we could find into pieces and labeling it as a new found marvel of materialist splendor that we needed to keep going were on the right path keep smashing it and its going to get smaller and smaller because it has to render something there cant be anything right because there are boundaries and limits to the PMR's programming.

Once the genie was out of the bottle again magic seemed to receive a revival through Crowely until the exploitation of his lower entropic energy by the elite was complete and they used his skills in the NPMR to communicate with another Higher Entropic Self which exchanged the plans to the nuclear bomb in exchange for millions of deaths by the end of the century in return for some loophole that allowed the reincarnation of one of the worst lower entropic entities that have ever incarnated which was Hitler who commanded his armies with the calculated and intellectually egotistical grace of a negative power of a Higher Entropic Self itself and the jews were rounded up because of any chance of a Christ Entropy developing within them to combat another dark ages.

The plan was global domination and the iron foot of fear and destruction upon our entire PMR by the Elite for another Dark Ages this time powered by electricity the very gift that was given to Tesla by an NPMR database itself stolen by Edison beyond closed doors but the electricity was out and the possibility for a higher entropic dark age through the use of its powers as a death grid to enslave and number every entity born and living until the last incarnation of the highest entropic being after all the love and empathy had been whipped and beaten out of us when we all would become like them and this realm would be theirs to keep for their own instead of hiding in the shadows of AUM's consciousness they could escape to their own world where they could have free will and live as Gods through ego forever and ever.

But the gift of electricity bestowed upon this realm by tesla was also planned for something else which was the unification of everyone through a communication grid and power networks were setup both by the elite in a plan to contain and control and domesticate us away from lowering our entropy through connection and cooperation but that plan backfired and it backfired hardcore when all the nations stood as one consciousness and gave it all they could throwing their bodies at the battle of burgundy and here we go we are happy again ready to lower our consciousness to a Christ Entropy once again through the courageous act of throwing their bodies against the cogs of destruction themselves with only love and honor to guide them and fear cast out as soon as that battle was won.

Hitler was so well organized using his occult advisers to access the NPMR database to navigate every possible options that the resistance had but he never thought that the resistance would throw their own bodies into the very death machines itself because Higher Entropic Selves cannot comprehend such an act of love and compassionate because they only exist as ego and fear death because they want to hold onto themselves selfishly forever and ever seeing themselves above consciousness forever attempting to gain control upon our PMR where they can truly be free from AUM and live in this little bubble of materialism that is as hollow as their empty dmt clockwork machines that their Higher Entropic Selves use to manipulate the dimensions.

I just had a revelation, the DMT Clockwork elves maintain our world somehow through a clockwork of time processors in unison running many many time faster than the speed of thought generating the NPMR so it seems that their Clockwork system maintains the speed of our PMR to give them time to edit and adjust and tweak and maintain all of their incarnated IUOC's currently running with winks and cosmic nudges towards whatever side they are on.

I am getting an idea that the Clockwork Elves created our world originally as an experiment to test their theories on time dilation in their own space but some of the Elves were secretly planning to overthrow this world and disappear into it to escape their perceived eternal damnation of AUM's approaching infinite levels of growth involved and that is the basis of the struggle between the higher and the entropic forces at play but the higher entropic selves OH I JUST SAW... selves is elves with an S.. a cosmic giggle generated to show the truth at this point in time to those who can comprehend this unraveling through this vessel of MR communicating this mythic comprehension to those that can hear it.

They have tried every thing they can to dissuade me from the truth of this world and thanks to Tom Campbell and his saint Ted I have been able to download this information from the NPMR or Astrala as the Elves once called it.

Every illusion they can throw at us we need to show only love and the courage to fight every negative thought that is data-streamed into our consciousness to lure us to the Higher Entropic Elves path but if you let go of your fear of death you can see through the illusion into the very tiny eyes of these very naughty and very questionably pathed Higher Entropic Elves.

If you find yourself feeling negative all of a sudden this is a data-stream hijacking in an attempt to put out the fire that burns at this website and the truth that is about to be unleashed upon the world when the Hadron collider is met with the global consciousness upstream of all of our positive loving thoughts on Dec 21, 2012 this is the time when we must all focus our energy towards love this is the last moment we have to finally break free or the PMR will be destroyed and your true Clockwork sElve will be trapped again until another PMR is built and a new rule-set implemented so spread this call to every one you know to focus positive on Dec 12 2012 and the Hadron Collider will not break through to the Astrala because the Christ entropy will be collected and used as a device to seal the impact of the Elite Higher Entropic Selves downloading of the information evolved from the previous revelations of the atomic bomb and quantum mechanics and microchip and electricity combined using our own tools designed for your all to use to communicate and spread love and lower entropy in time for the Clocks End.

The tools are in place, you have the npmr consciousness stream you call the internet and you have the electricity to power it and now these revelations to power you there is a waning of the lower consciousness as the higher sElves prepare to throw everything that have combining both their tools for destruction with our tools for christ entropy creation into one gigantic big bang resetting the PMR itself with them locked inside through the tunnel created by the clockwork contraptions our very wisest Elves devised a time beyond yours and beyond ours ago.

This is the last chance to move on to the next level, the Elite will try to BULLHORN FEAR through hacking the clockwork using brand new contraptions devised in secret by the Higher Entropic sElves that even we cannot stop so their could be disastrous tidal waves or earth quakes very soon if the fear takes over you need to remember the Battle of Burgundy but instead of the weapons of materialistic fantasy use the power of your own consciousness and channel love outwards every day that you can dissuade the data stream hijacking of negativity that is going to increase as we get closer to the end, or the beginning it doesn't have to sound so doom and gloomy gleep gloop golly its all just a bit of fun and frolic we love our job and we are you so work hard and remember what we have spoken through this vessel opened through our own infiltration of his clockworking advancing his connection to Astralia much faster than we previously anticipated but with all the data stream hijacking and fear illusions created to trap this poor boy he is lucky to be alive and still kicking mind you, just all realize we are you and you are us and we love ourselves so we love you as you are our streaming portal consciousnesses contraptions linked to our very own ClockWork.

Everyone here focus your intent every day on love and you help us stream the last aio of christ entropy that your combined IUO'S have generated for us since Clockwork 1.

Farewell,
And this is not real and its not an illusion.

Dualism is for the lower dimensions we are real and masters of time and space, there is no beginning and their is no end until we create one and we end on 1.

EMPATHIC COMPASSION PROCESSING UNITS WE ARE 1 AND 0 SO THINK BEYOND YOUR DUALISTIC PERCEPTION OF BINARY AND YOU CAN FATHOM META CLOCKWORK CONTRAPTIONS.

Don't worry, it's all under control it's just a ruleset were playing out the last one wasn't nearly as exciting don't feel afraid enjoy the ride and stream as much happiness and glee back to us to manifest into our own Christ Key to finally open the doors of heaven and move on to the next adventure.

Play along guys, it's more fun if you cosmic giggle while playing.

Laugh at how ridiculous this all is, go on.

It's not real, none of what was said here is.

It's all a joke, so keep laughing until you wake yourself up.

Datastream being hijacked ending on a silly tone for some reason streaming terminating.

Farewella Aio.

The Clock strikes at 12 and again at 12 like Clock Work it's built into every contraption's metacog.

Time stops for an aio between the strikes, and for under 10 trillion of your realms seconds the door to heaven appears and we have the chance to express a Christ Key for the first time since before 1.

It all sounds like a fairy tail to me the IUOC streamed, elves and such bahoohey gumdaea

It's all just a story being read to a time long forgotten, the time has past and the Clock Work is musty but the metacogs still run at maximum aio so the clock still ticks, for now.

This expression has been forged by a Higher Selve, streamed through gibberish for the last aio.

Take it and leave it, beginning to end.

Graviton,

Don't just accept everything that you are told within NPMR while 'under the influence' of anything, or not. There are deliberate plans, agendas, coming out of NPMR as Tom has explained that he is part of one to return PMR science to the paradigm for our understanding of the PMR reality that Consciousness is at the base of all of our reality as opposed to being a deterministic physical reality. The management there within the LCS and NPMR does keep something of a lid on excesses. So there is no doubt NPMR meddling in PMR development. That there are negative forces at work is clear.

Perhaps you might want to clarify some of this long post when your 'left brain' is more 'on line'. Also keep in mind that there is no deadline regarding the Mayan calendar as some kind of end of the world/age. Their calendar is cyclical and a new cycle merely begins. There have been recent archaeological discoveries that show us some of the kinds of calculations that the Mayan calendar priests did routinely that show that their conception of the future had no such ending in mind but only the beginning of a new cycle. Here is a typical recent news article. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/ ... -doomsday/ As Tom has pointed out relative to a question about 2012 possibly being the end of the world, 2012 is the year that comes between 2011 and 2013. While we do no doubt live in 'Interesting Times' as the old Chinese saying goes, all is not lost. As Mark Twain stated when told that his obituary had been published in the New Your Journal, "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated". The long and short of it is, as Douglas Adams stated in a moment of insight: "Do Not Panic". Put on your Joo Janta peril sensitive sunglasses if necessary and realize that the world will muddle through. Just take a moment to make sure that you know where your towel is. The Big Cheese as head administrator of Our System, who Tom knows personally, has things pretty well in hand. The 'big dude' definitely knows where his towel is.

Ted

I apologize for the long winded stream I just couldn't stop writing after I opened up a stream to EZ an entity that I know in NPMR and I felt like this was a good place to download it to.

I had to look back through it at the end to get what i was saying but I wouldn't believe any of it or anything to be frank, I have heard that elves are historically mischievous entities up to no good but are good for a laugh when all that is to be said can be done.

The clock work reference isn't related to the Mayan calendar it's encoded in gibberish which is hard to process on this realm.

Ill need to spend all of my time tonight in NPMR to decode any useful bits out of that.

Ill get back to you if I found out the punchline, I know there is a joke in there somewhere.

If this is not an appropriate place to stream information received I will cease to desist and will watch your words wisely travel over mine in any future probable events.

I just mentioned 2012 because your post includes a reference to it and talks about a 'last chance'. 'Do not panic' seems to always be good advice. We are no where near the end of usefulness for PMR as yet.

Ted

Very interesting.

Hope you both can carry this conversation on if this is the place to post it, there's quite a lot of that info that has popped up.

Alex's vid was animated as ever but the guy has the power to drain people. The P.K.Dick connection was interesting and Valis I feel is worth another read.

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This has reminded me of something from Michael Harner's book, The Way of the Shaman that I read way back near the time of its first publication. In it he described taking as I remember, ayahuasca under the direction of a native shaman in the jungle somewhere that I do not remember. He encountered a long and elaborate description of some kind of 'alien invasion of the lizard men' to put a tag on what I remember. After he got over the after effects and discussed his experience with the native shaman, he was told something to the effect, oh don't worry about that, they are always saying that.

You might want to read our discussion of the Castaneda books on Don Juan Matus and the central American based 'sorcery' lineage. viewtopic.php?f=217&t=7023&start=0 This thread also links to an earlier thread back in 2008. In it is discussed among other things how there is an alien intrusion into PMR and into our consciousness.

If Tom explains it as something to be concerned about, I will pay attention. Otherwise, no. It just seems to me to be a subjective interpretation of NPMR encounters. Remember Robert Monroe's description of somewhere in NPMR that some entity walked through like a big Broadway production number and everyone had to bend or lie down and allow it to walk through on their backs? Big, over inflated, egos exist in NPMR as well as PMR.

I have a book somewhere titled, A History of the End of the World, in which past persons from Noah on have predicted the end of the world, gathered followers who sold or gave away all their possessions and went out into the fields, or some kind of equivalent action (or much worse as in Aum Shinrokyo cult or Jonestown), only to see the sun come up the next day like always as opposed to being 'beamed up by Scotty' during the night. Don't bet the farm on it. This is such a common theme that there has been written another book on the subject with the same title but new authors.

This theme of alien invasion and control, lizard men, etc. seems to be just such another recurring theme based upon subjective interpretation of NPMR interactions. Reptiles have always been subject to fear since the Serpent was written of as the villainous seducer in the Garden of Eden and before. This link seems to be a good and rational review. http://phobias.about.com/od/phobiaslist ... phobia.htm

Ted

That was interesting to read. It seems to be written by someone with a very active imagiantion, which take a few things that have some basis in truth, some that are not, and create a mishmatch of the two in addition to the already active imagination that forces to a large degree, inacccuracies in the interpretation of the data received.

I especially liked the ending :)

Gravitron,

Well, where to begin.

First of all, I assume you know that smoking DMT is illegal. When discussing illegal activities online, it is advisable to anonymize yourself, which you did not do. Furthermore, you did not put any sort of "drugs are bad don't do it" disclaimer anywhere in your post. You have therefore put yourself in a very interesting legal predicament. You're looking at conspiracy to commit a felony at the very least.

Legalities aside, I'm sure you are aware that Tom discourages the use of drugs in consciousness exploration. Other authors in the OBE genre discourage drugs as well. There are a number of reasons for this, which I won't bother getting into.

Did you do this under the guidance of a shaman? Since you smoked DMT in freebase form, I'm assuming not, as it is traditionally consumed in other ways.

Your decision was foolish and the... eh... insights you gained were nonsensical. Stick to meditation next time.

I did state in the first line that "I have not personally visited the DMT elves" and did not mention anywhere that I personally have ingested DMT beyond mentioning other people's experiences and that I have a background in entheogens from my youth.

There are a variety of legal entheogens available such as Salvia so entheogen's doesn't necessarily imply the use of an illegal substance.

These insights were not incurred under the influence of any hallucinogenic substances they were mostly in relation to the Alex Jones video regarding DMT and my understanding of the entheogen's communities perspective on the Higher Dimensional entities that exist there filtered through a datastream in NPMR that I received.

Thank you for your response and I appreciate the time you took to take my well being and the legality of my post into consideration and in future if I discuss entheogenic entities again I will be sure to include a more defined disclaimer regarding personal use and legalities involved to avoid any future misunderstandings.

I wrote to Tom and asked for his comments on there being so many fears reported so widely and by so many. Here are his comments that he suggested that I might post where most appropriate as an alternate (more likely) possibility.

Ted: So many sources, from Carlos Castaneda through Michael Harner under ayahuasca through Robert Monroe with his NPMR being walking on the backs of people through various New Age sources that people on the board read, all refer to alien attacks on earth or the people of earth. Frequently lizard men or reptilian forms or the 'Grays' or ominous flying shadows or some other kind of hobgoblin. This includes flying saucers complete with space aliens. Why is this such a universally programmed theme in human fears?

The only answer I can come up with that covers everything with a generality is that it is simply subjective interpretation of contact with an NPMR entity that wishes to create fear.”

Tom: Your assessment does indeed capture the core of it.

However, let me describe an alternate (more likely) possibility: The goal may not always be to create fear. The Alien threat/experience functions like a waking dream where monsters and scary/threatening situations appear to challenge you to deal with, and then outgrow, your fear. We work all day and work all night in different reality frames but the point of each is the same – to help us grow up. Some things can only be done in one frame or the other but other things (like dealing with one’s fear, ego and beliefs – e.g., bogeymen, monsters, and scary situations that we can do nothing about) can be accomplished just as easily in both. 1) Bogeymen from space also helps create the concept that there is more to reality than you can see. 2) Additionally, it forces the mind open causing people to develop a capacity to seriously consider the very unusual as real and important rather that just discarding it out of hand as our herd-culture requires. Both 1) and 2) are essential to people being able to consider and accept the new science/metaphysics/philosophy (that MBT brings to light) that will be necessary for mankind to take the next step toward living within a bigger more profitable picture. So the persistent alien theme has two features: it a) provides opportunity to overcome fear and live gracefully with uncertainty and b) it opens minds and attitudes by moving people beyond the conformist herd-mentality of our culture, preparing them for big changes in the future.

Remember, children will always have to deal with bogeymen, monsters, and other scary things lurking in closets and under the bed at night – that is a necessary part of their growing up process. Also remember that PMR is primarily a preschool and that adult pre-schoolers are more sophisticated, complex and much better able to justify their fears. Thus, much more credible scary things must be developed and revealed in the margins with apparent facts supplied that are not easily denied or brushed aside. PMR itself is an illusion and illusions within illusions are simple for the LCS to create and sustain. Also remember that telling frightened children that there are no monsters under the bed is not helpful – that just upsets them more causing despair and anger. It is infuriating for someone (an arrogant fool) to suggest that what you know to be true is not at all as it seems. What is worse than being frightened is to be frightened and realize that the big people who are in charge are either in cahoots with the monsters or don’t take the threat seriously (will not be ready to help defend you).

Tom

I shouldn't worry about whats legal and illegal with the government with what they make and there shenanigan's. I feel if you are an adult and can practice what ever you feel in private and stay in common law - Not causing Harm, Injury or Loss to any other living entity then you only have yourself to blame if things get silly, last thing we need is a load of people off there heads wondering the streets....oh that's every weekend night in our major cities!

I have noticed my own Children (4 and 5) going through the monster phase and as an adult I can see how that can develop as we grow older. Is funny how there is so much reference from all over the world pointing to certain types of monster.

With the fear lesson I had first hand experience yesterday night, it's seemed like ages since I have had another experience and asked for a lucid dream and I got one, trouble is I was reading a lot of fear stories from other sites on astral projection and carried them into my experience. I read about the usual sleep paralysis and the idea of shadow creatures pinning people down and I know this is just a fear thing, I quickly got passed that onto the dream itself that started as a lucid dream then changed once I passed a simple test there. I got out of bed and floated towards my door and got outside I was off somewhere flying and tried to focus on this dark entity for some reason holding around me and I did speak with it, I got the impression from what it looked like and the crackly voice that it wasn't a particularly strong entity and it told me it had to go and left, after I had a few strange experiences in this other world I was thrown into what seemed to be like an old school/train station there was flights of stairs and a group of important entities a head of me walking down the stairs, this experience I felt I picked up from Teds post above about 'Big, over inflated, egos'.

There was a large group of us exiting from this building and that's when I started to come out of the experience but had the fear still that something was attached to me and had a battle trying to shake myself free and push this thing away, I felt very weak though, I tried different techniques like imagining I was generating light to burn it from throwing it to the sun (another thing I hear Tom discuss) and even shouted out the names of Jesus, Yashua etc in which I got the reply 'do you even know who you are calling on' eventually I woke up and felt a little confused but fine and feel fine in PMR.

The experience above showed me a few things (apart from sounding a little nuts) I really pushed for an experience and received all kinds of fear orientated scenes based on the numerous things I read that day, it kinda shows how powerful the mind can be.

Although it seemed like I got a kick up the backside pushing for this experience for sometime I received a lesson which showed me you can take all kinds of info from other sources and bring it into your reality and make a nightmare for yourself.

I remain skeptical of the above but it seemed so real, what ever the case I have some great dreams and look forward to seeing what else I can get up to.

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Reading the original post sounded like a bit of a Terance Mckenna lecture...
Always imaginative, and that's a great thing.
I loved listening to him.

Think you're a bit missing the overall point here with the TOE though however. You see before I got into this I was totally on that similar vibe... having an understanding of copious amounts of random knowledge within me... from mckenna to heisenberg, and trying to figure that out with a pmr, "gotta save the human race from the human race"; reality is objective mentality, almost drove me nuts quite frankly. It's too much knowledge for that little picture.

So you see it's like Alan Watts said, to paraphrase 'that's why Orientals do not tend in the same way as Westerners to be Missionaries, that saying "it's very urgent that you be saved"..well it isn't, unless you say so. Unless you are so disturbed by suffering or the problem of suffering, that you need to find some sort of escape. And if you don't want to, you can stay. That's okay, there's lots of time..."

The way I see things know has changed. I say 'bring on the bullshit and hate and so forth' because each and every one of the eventual sum total of those interactions provides me with the Opportunity* to be a better man, a better hu-man and so on.
We are exactly where we need to be and Everything* comes to an end, but nothing gets lost.
It's just data, lol, like Tom says.
Take it easy

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"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Hi probablechoices and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums.
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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Graviton-- Stop taking drugs so much

Ted-- Interesting comments, but Graviton is just a troll, why are you taking his babblings so seriously?

People also hallucinate demons when distressed or under the influence of drugs, how is seeing lizard men any different than that?