harveyshideout : buuuuuuut.....ego maybe something at first hand you need to discourage because of its effects of limiting your growth, but what would we call the other part of the ego/fear as I believe it is responsible helping you become creative, I mean that in the sense we learn to want something because of our fears. ok what im trying to say is, there are two points of us being, high entropy, low entropy, but where do we stand in regards to function as experincing beings. Tolle goes on about apreciating the silence and the moment, I understand that but it sure does get boring!!
OM : It's not boring, let me expand on where I am coming from.
This is perspective that I have understood from a combination of Tom and Krishnamurti. Basically, Knowledge, if used improperly is a detriment to us in our interactions, Sounds simple and obvious?
What I mean by this is, that knowledge is mechanical, it is what we have experienced, (the past). Obviously, In order to function in this world we need to learn certain things. We need knowledge to drive a car, fly an airplane, learn a language, brush your teeth, practical knowledge. However, we walk through life gaining, seeing, listening and then mostly interacting through knowledge alone, culturally, socially, individually, etc and we have this big steaming pile of knowledge (whether on paper (MBA etc) or in general)
A simple crude example;
You were a jerk last month to me. You were a Jerk last year to me.
You stand in front of me today and I access my knowledge, I am ready for the jerk. I am using the past to judge you.
An argument to this might be; well, I have to use my knowledge to protect myself. That's just fear and ego pre-judging and causing unnecessary conflict because your instinctual center is there for a reason, To protect you under fire. If you are in trouble it will be there before you even can think intellectually. Or as you mentioned that fear/ego can help you get things and be creative. Possibly, but in a very limiting and problematic way.
So then, what do we do instead to function as experiencing beings?
Listen and see through silence, that is real attention or real meditation. In the silence you don't want, you don't judge etc. If I observe you in silence without knowledge, you are not a jerk. I will react to what you are in that moment instead (maybe you will still be a jerk). This approach completely changes the interaction, my entropy and yours.
If Seeing and listening mechanically through knowledge (past) alone, then nothing is new. There is no creativity. But if we can combine these; observe out of silence, act from the being level and in the field of knowledge at the same time, then you are interacting uniquely. It's new every time.
The description is no longer the described - J. Krishnamurti
I had asked Tom a question a while ago regarding some very interesting intuitive responses that I had regarding different things.
I asked, "Tom, I wonder, wouldn't it be more advantageous to have this knowledge consciously beforehand"
TC : "No. Why would you want to take a high signal-to-noise link direct from the source and change it to be a noisy problematical signal that must pass through the extremely limited intellect first before it gets to you? Again: inquiring egos want to know"
When I had these responses I was being silent (full attention with all my being) in my listening, seeing etc during my interactions. The result came from a better source than Ego/fear or intellect. When engaging with ego you use past knowledge and in effect lose potential creative ability because you are drawing from a limiting source.
Bette : When one accepts something for what it is, and it is harming others, or even self, how can one change that thing? I mean, that which is, is, has been my mantra since I read The Dancing Wu Lu Master, but that which is is a reflection of the level of Consciousness evolution in this PMR. I can accept things are screwed up, now let's see what we can work on changing, like that?
Thank you for the kinds words OM, Mike.
Love to you and yours,
OM : Sort of, but I don't think this is something you can actually work on changing per se with knowledge because it will become a continuation of the past and an endless pattern of cause and effect.
We can be silent, observe it as screwed up, accept it as screwed up, then interact from your being with new eyes and without past knowledge. As Jesus said, you must become like a child again. Maybe then, creativity can blossom to solve all these things....