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Ted, the symbols encasing your name mean "heart" or love, in case you did not know.
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Ted Vollers wrote:
... something about bald head with long hair on the sides and a beard. I am totally out of it between the new slang and texting symbolism. Thank you, for the explanation and for the thought.

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I thought it meant "less than three".

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All I am saying is that the society I live in seems to be asleep and scared to death. Unless people wake up and start loving each other, there may not be hope for our tiny physical existence. Just seems like the total extinction of a race caused by it's own action or inaction might be a great learning experience.

On a different note, I am here in this forum talking to people who are awake, which seems to indicate that the scales may be tipping in the other direction.
Please remember, they are many, we are few. I don't think this is a fight between the aware and the unaware. I see it more of as, "Hey! I just woke up! Let me help you wake up too! Being awake is GREAT! Yes, sleeping is wonderful too, and I will do more of that soon, and you can go back to it soon too if you really don't like being awake but please, if you want to know why I am the way I am, not filled with fear but totally blissful no matter what life throws my way, here, let me help you! Only if you want me to of course. I am happy to continue letting you sleep just as long as you need to, if you believe you need that."

Something like that.

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No matter what happens, what a great experience.
Yes. I agree wholeheartedly.

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life in the third world countries for many people is a heavy struggle. I would say for a majority it is a struggle and surviving day by day. HIV and AIDS in Africa, lack of basic food, lack of medical supply and medical care, minefields, where anyone can be killed, injured and lose their limbs, endless wars and hate crime against children and women, sweat shops, where children as young as 8 years old can work 10 hours shift for several pennies a day, and etc. is a part of everyday life in many countries around a globe.

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Sad eh? I have an image in my head every day of a world where the general population's main goal is to love each other. I call it human's greatest potential. The vast majority of westerners (the ones that have the greatest potential to make a change) don't appear to see this, and I suspect I know why. These days I immediately recognize a chaotic / insane mind, but in the past it wasn't so easy. When folks never stop and sit in quiet reflection they seem to get caught up in the turmoil, form mental patterns (bad habits) and until something comes along and pulls them out of it, that's where they remain for most of their life. Sleep walkers.

One of the reasons I think I notice it, is due to the time I have spent out in the peaceful wilderness camping. I grew up in the foothills of the great smoky mountains and would regularly find myself in complete quite. This not only gave me time to think about reality, but it allowed me to quite my monkey mind. Then when I returned (drove back into the city) home (often to my parents house) I would watch the news and watch people driving, and it was blatantly obvious that people were caught up in the chaos and unaware of their own state of mind. I think it takes a step back to notice sometimes (contrast). This is very hard to do these days, at least everywhere I have been in the States.

I think that if I ever come to Earth to experience the things you have written above, that I will have the quality of being needed to see through the life situation (the cruelty), forgive them and realize that they simply do not know what they are doing. It's not their being that's doing it, it's their insane physical mind.

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life in the third world countries for many people is a heavy struggle. I would say for a majority it is a struggle and surviving day by day. HIV and AIDS in Africa, lack of basic food, lack of medical supply and medical care, minefields, where anyone can be killed, injured and lose their limbs, endless wars and hate crime against children and women, sweat shops, where children as young as 8 years old can work 10 hours shift for several pennies a day, and etc. is a part of everyday life in many countries around a globe.

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Sad eh? I have an image in my head every day of a world where the general population's main goal is to love each other. I call it human's greatest potential. The vast majority of westerners (the ones that have the greatest potential to make a change) don't appear to see this, and I suspect I know why. These days I immediately recognize a chaotic / insane mind, but in the past it wasn't so easy. When folks never stop and sit in quiet reflection they seem to get caught up in the turmoil, form mental patterns (bad habits) and until something comes along and pulls them out of it, that's where they remain for most of their life. Sleep walkers.

One of the reasons I think I notice it, is due to the time I have spent out in the peaceful wilderness camping. I grew up in the foothills of the great smoky mountains and would regularly find myself in complete quite. This not only gave me time to think about reality, but it allowed me to quite my monkey mind. Then when I returned (drove back into the city) home (often to my parents house) I would watch the news and watch people driving, and it was blatantly obvious that people were caught up in the chaos and unaware of their own state of mind. I think it takes a step back to notice sometimes (contrast). This is very hard to do these days, at least everywhere I have been in the States.

I think that if I ever come to Earth to experience the things you have written above, that I will have the quality of being needed to see through the life situation (the cruelty), forgive them and realize that they simply do not know what they are doing. It's not their being that's doing it, it's their insane physical mind.



I notice it too. More and more I recognize it for what it really is, its fear. The ego, is living in the future, looking for the next meal, the next big thing, "what will become of me?" what people are going to think? ... or dwelling in the past, "what have I done? "Why did I do that?", "why did they do that to me?", and " If only I did better...
We seem to be in a race against time, (time is money, time is short,...) we always feel that we need to catch up to the flow or get ahead, so we must hurry.

I have found just the opposite to be true. we dont need to race to catch up to the flow, most of us need to slow down and let the "flow" catch up to us.

The reason so many people are "sleepwalkers" is that they are not fully aware of the moment. They believe that if they just get to the next level, things will be better. If they just hurry and get to the destination they will have some sense of joy, peace, happiness...?

Not realizing that joy is in the journey, not the destination.
satisfaction is in the DOING not in the completion
Happiness is in the "being" not in the finding
Love is in the giving, not the receiving

Logic doesnt work when describing the big picture Ideas. so Our logical mind has difficulty grasping the big picture truths. They seem so Meta-physical, so para-normal, so illogical. (probability distributions? )
Happiness, Joy, Peace, Love, and bliss exist only here and now. Only in the present moment can happiness be found, and only within oneself.

"Remove thy shoes from off thy feet. The ground on which you stand IS holy ground..."

When I say Holy I feel that its spelled WHOLE-LY. I mean to say that we are already THERE, because "IT" is wherever we happen to be. We just need to realize it. WE ARE IT.

"Heaven" and "Hell" exist here and now (in each field of perception, subjectively) if they exist at all...

We cannot defeat our demons without love and compassion...
We can never defeat Evil with evil, we can only defeat evil with good
we can never defeat anger with anger, we can only defeat anger with love

We can never bring productive change by imposing our will upon others. If we want to make the world a truly better place, then we must impose all of our will, power, and intention in order to strive to change our self.

The good news is, if you succeed, even a little bit, it will spread out from you like a ripple in the pond and affect everyone around you.

The little changes that I make in my thinking and behaviour make the entire world a better place.

There is no seperation between the observer and the observed. All that you see is a reflection of your thoughts. Everything is based upon perception.
We can always change our perception

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We can never bring productive change by imposing our will upon others. If we want to make the world a truly better place, then we must impose all of our will, power, and intention in order to strive to change our self.


This is key. Once people get that love is the answer, implementing it happens in self.

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life in the third world countries for many people is a heavy struggle. I would say for a majority it is a struggle and surviving day by day. HIV and AIDS in Africa, lack of basic food, lack of medical supply and medical care, minefields, where anyone can be killed, injured and lose their limbs, endless wars and hate crime against children and women, sweat shops, where children as young as 8 years old can work 10 hours shift for several pennies a day, and etc. is a part of everyday life in many countries around a globe.

Lena


Sad eh?
No, this is not sad. Just life, as it can be in its variety. This is a lesson, which those people live through. Love can be learned even faster in that environment, since people support each other much more often, that you would need it here in US. Is it easy life? No. Suffering could be your best lesson, if you made this lesson to be your choice. Is it bad from a point of view of a regular human being? I suppose so. This is VR, anything and everything just another lesson. I tend to think, that a part of population of the third world countries is newcomers, when another part is a hard learners, who have many lifes lived in this VR, and they came in to this kind of life to get in this lifetime as much, as they were able to get in the last ten or twenty lifes before.

Doesn't mean that they do not deserve our compassion?

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I started working real jobs when I was 14, 13 with not real ones where no taxes were taken out in actual sweat shops, plaster crafts, and of course babysitting for others moms off drinking leaving 6 kids in my care for days when I was 11 and 12. I'm just saying. Back in the good old days when a person could work if they wanted to.
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Just a touch.

http://www.petemccormack.com/blog/?p=283

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/afric ... ngo.camps/
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com ... ysasia.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=children ... 74&bih=628
http://kabiza.com/i_was_born_woman.htm
http://www.waxmann.com/fileadmin/media/ ... stvoge.pdf
http://www.unccd.int/IYDD/documents/iyd ... 5B1%5D.pdf

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bette wrote:
I started working real jobs when I was 14, 13 with not real ones where no taxes were taken out in actual sweat shops, plaster crafts, and of course babysitting for others moms off drinking leaving 6 kids in my care for days when I was 11 and 12. I'm just saying. Back in the good old days when a person could work if they wanted to.
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Bette,

Those people would be glad to do anything to feed their children once a day. A problem is there is no jobs available. It is not about being lazy.we cannot compare US 30-40 years ago and the third world economical, political, environmental situation.

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We each other's teachers. Those people provide us with a lesson of compassion, and another, completely different, outlook for life.

And yes, this is sad, because Love includes sadness for those, who you Love. I see their pain, I understand its intensity, and I feel sad, because I am not only a stream of data in this VR PMR, but I am a human being too, according to this time rule set

A perfect example of changing perception is Victor Frankl story.

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Everything can be taken from a man or a woman but one thing: the last of human freedoms to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

The last of human freedoms - the ability to chose one's attitude in a given set of circumstances.

When we are no longer able to change a situation - we are challenged to change ourselves. circumstances.




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No, this is not sad. Just life, as it can be in its variety. This is a lesson, which those people live through. Love can be learned even faster in that environment, since people support each other much more often, that you would need it here in US. Is it easy life? No. Suffering could be your best lesson, if you made this lesson to be your choice. Is it bad from a point of view of a regular human being? I suppose so. This is VR, anything and everything just another lesson. I tend to think, that a part of population of the third world countries is newcomers, when another part is a hard learners, who have many lifes lived in this VR, and they came in to this kind of life to get in this lifetime as much, as they were able to get in the last ten or twenty lifes before.

Doesn't mean that they do not deserve our compassion?

Lena


Lena, just because there is a lesson in something doesn't mean we become Spock on Star Trek. There does exist something called human emotion and sadness (Feeling or showing sorrow; unhappy). It's a human trait that "I" feel, so to me it's sad. I have found that I evolve faster by not pretending I am not feeling a certain way. Plus, if the cruelty is in fact "Just life", and every action gets the exact same response (for example, "it's just a variation"), there would be no pressure for evolving, it seems.

I am sure when you said it's not sad, you were referring to you, and I have my doubts about you being a Vulcan and all :)

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Lena, just because there is a lesson in something doesn't mean we become Spock on Star Trek. There does exist something called human emotion and sadness (Feeling or showing sorrow; unhappy). It's a human trait that "I" feel, so to me it's sad. I have found that I evolve faster by not pretending I am not feeling a certain way. Plus, if the cruelty is in fact "Just life", and every action gets the exact same response (for example, "it's just a variation"), there would be no pressure for evolving, it seems.

I am sure when you said it's not sad, you were referring to you, and I have my doubts about you being a Vulcan and all :)
Thank you David! I couldn't have said it better myself.


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It is not only important to love, it is important to know why loving is important in the first place!


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It is not only important to love, it is important to know why loving is important in the first place!
I need to mull that one over a bit before I disagree. We get to place importance on everything in our experience, that is part of the joy of individuation.

Becoming Love may or may not be important for the right reasons but in the end, we each get to choose. I am more concerned with my own intent and experience than labeling others (behaviors, beliefs and actions) with judgments such as good/bad, right/wrong, important/unimportant et cetera.


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We each other's teachers. Those people provide us with a lesson of compassion, and another, completely different, outlook for life.

And yes, this is sad, because Love includes sadness for those, who you Love. I see their pain, I understand its intensity, and I feel sad, because I am not only a stream of data in this VR PMR, but I am a human being too, according to this time rule set

A perfect example of changing perception is Victor Frankl story.

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Everything can be taken from a man or a woman but one thing: the last of human freedoms to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

The last of human freedoms - the ability to chose one's attitude in a given set of circumstances.

When we are no longer able to change a situation - we are challenged to change ourselves. circumstances.




Lena

I will add one movie that really shines when it comes to your perception/attitudes when faced with dire circumstances

The Hurricane with Denzel Washington - http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi821297433/
Joseph wrote:
As Tom says; One is "sent" to a place and a time where growth is most productive to the individuated unit of consciousness. This I understand completely. But. Why is not an individuated unit of consciousness not at a place where there really are a lot of love, that seem to be more productive for the growing being. Why here? Seems very hard here. I just don't get it. If I was at a better place, in a better time, where people told me already from the beginning, from birth what to do, how to think, what life is all about, wouldn't lowering the entropy be more effective there? Why here? Earth is a heavy struggle. Help me understand.

And below I give another example/analogy explaining why the Earth is a heavy struggle - from the Law of One - Carla Rueckert
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Questioner: Can you expand on the concept which is that it is necessary for an entity, during incarnation in the physical as we know it, to become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when the entity is aware of what he wants to do. Why must he come into an incarnation and lose conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way in which he hopes to act?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin—and we stress begin—to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.


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Question: WHY AM I HERE?

An answer: You have somewhere else you'd rather be?

Another answer: Consider the alternative. :)
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