You wish to surround yourself with beauty. There is nothing wrong with that. So the woman in this case would fulfill a more expansive role than just the mechanical work the "ugly" woman would perform better than her. Within that expansive role, the beautiful woman is more qualified than the ugly woman. As a boss, it is your job to determine the most effective use of resources. Hiring the beautiful woman may make your life more pleasant, which essentialy means it is part of your compensation package (which as a motivator for your performance, may be more effective than just adding more zeros to your bank account). Or, hiring the "ugly" woman may yield higher profits, allowing you to spend your time away from the company with the beautiful woman, which I imagine is much more rewarding than working with her. The problem you might face is exactly the problem of not knowing what the right thing in fact is, because you fear losing the chance to be around a beautiful woman for the sake of numbers on paper. You do not have a duty to choose one woman over the other. The ugly woman's "qualifications" do not entitle her to the job any more than the beautiful woman's "beauty". They are just different qualities that each offers for trade.

The problem you might be facing is that you subscribe (probably without being aware) to a kantian understanding of morality, where morality is divorced from reward, but is a duty one must perform, simply because it is "the right thing", as determined by a higher power (God, or a deified Nature or Society).

You guys sound like sexist pigs, you know that, right?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Andre,
In MBT terms it appears is though the difference between "right" and "wrong" can be compared to LOVE vs FEAR.
Love unites people and brings people together, while fear separates. Love promotes unity, togetherness, compassion, forgiveness, and bliss. While fear brings sadness, frustration, division, separation, isolation, anger, hate, war, and suffering.

So what is good? What is bad?

A big piece of chocolate cake, therefore, must be good. Even though my doctor says its bad. lol

LOVE will always have more to do with the well being of another (selfless), while decisions and actions based in FEAR will be for the benefit and well being of self (selfish)

There really is no "right and wrong", there is no "evil and good" there is only various levels of awareness and states of consciousness.

In the end it is in
Sometimes the "wrong" path will bring you to the "right" destination.

I once saw a man walking a path that, I knew, lead into the woods. I asked him "where are you going?" and he replied
"To the top of the mountain". So I tried to warn him, and tell him "your going the wrong way". But he would not listen. Or maybe he was just taking the scenic route.

I must admit, I have spent some time on the wood bound path, myself. But the mystics say that ALL roads lead to the top of the mountain, ...eventually.

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patrick

I liked the first part of your post, but... "There really is no "right and wrong", there is no "evil and good" there is only various levels of awareness and states of consciousness." I really have a problem with this statement.
Maybe you need to re-read the section on ethics. Do you think that the concentration camps of WWII were not wrong?

If this were true then we would never have to have laws or teach our children anything. Just let the level of awareness and states of consciousness of the situation be the teacher. I think Tom has mentioned some systems like this where there are few constraints and the overall entropy of the PMR is very high. By having constraints you are saying some things are right and some things are wrong.

Andre,

I like the way you think lol.
You remind me of a friend of mine.

I see what you're getting at.

Still,

Using the LOVE vs. FEAR concept, I think the solution would be one where you cause the least amount of fear in all parties involved. So...

As for myself I can choose to not be selfish and I can choose (if i was spiritually mature) to not experience the "fear of loss," the "fear of not having" by dropping the hot woman.

The beautiful underqualified woman should be able to handle not being hired, it wouldn't (and shouldn't, anyway) cause that much fear in her, because she has not invested anything, in terms of earning qualifications.

To not hire the overqualified ugly woman, after all of her hard earned qualifications would cause more fear. Imagine all of the disorder caused. Trivial fears of inadequacy after all of her hard work she had to go through to get those qualifications.



Bette,

Sorry Bette.. the topic was in my head.
I heard that particular debate on the news the other day.
It's cool though, I'd hire you :)

Will,
you said...


does that mean she is qualified? LOL

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Either way.

Ted

Awe. :)

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Why? You are dropping the hot woman in order to earn money. You could just as easily make the argument that you should drop the "qualified" woman. Is it not the fear of loss of income/revenue/capital that makes you seek the qualified woman? Why should you hire ANYONE at all? Why not just put up a sign "Help wanted. No qualifications required. No work required. Just put on your resume the amount of fear in you that would be relieved if you are hired."

Sain,
The events that transpired in WW2 were (in my opinion) the ultimate results of the path of FEAR.

Over the past few years I have identified FEAR as being at the root of most of our problems today (IMO) and I try to combat fear where ever I find it. With awareness, love and compassion.

Fear is the result of ignorance. Ignorance is not evil or bad. Ignorance is just the lack of awareness. But left unchecked it can grow into a hideous Aberration.

"We CANNOT defeat evil with evil. We can only defeat evil with good". (Buddhist quote)

There is great power in love. Healing power. The power of example.

In my present state of awareness I could never condone that behavior (of Hitlers concentration camps). As a matter of fact, I have been opposed to violence my entire life (except in a last resort scenario, defending myself or possibly others less able to defend themselves)

But if I did find myself in a situation like that (WW2) I like to think I would seek to help the wounded, ease the suffering, and try to make a small difference (hopefully I would possess the courage to act according to my conscience)

Pretty much the same code of conduct that I try to follow today.

In terrible situations like WW2 there were many people rising to greatness by performing tremendous acts of love.

Wherever there is a "wrong" being committed, there is a tendency for people to react with anger, outrage and condemnation. But as Jung said: "Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses"

And I have come to recognize fear as being an extremely painful condition, like a disease, so my response to "wrongness" has evolved into a more sympathetic and compassionate response. So if the sickness is being caused by ignorance or fear, it can be helped with awareness and LOVE.

I believe that (as Eckart Tolle says) "It is not the situation that is painful. It is our thoughts about the situation that cause us pain"



That is not the only conclusion that one can derive from my statement. We should teach children and increase their awareness.

We should try to reduce ignorance by spreading awareness, and teach our children not to live in fear, but love.

But then, actions always speak louder than words.

It is just my opinion but LOVE really is the answer

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patrick

You definitely should teach children all that - but you have to remember that children have an undeveloped brain and don't make decisions like an adult. That is where the "right" and "wrong" come in.

I agree that atrocities are attributable to fear. It doesn't make them any less wrong.

The nazis were acting out of love. They loved the future generations so much that they were willing to sacrifice millions upon millions today to build what they believed was a better world. They did not want the jews to suffer, they simply saw the jews as bringers of suffering that had to be eliminated for the greater good.

I suspect that you did not think that wholly through in your mind, or so I hope.

I did, but maybe you misunderstood me. The nazis were deluded.

"Right and wrong" appear to have very different meanings for different people, depending on where they live and the culture they subscribe to. Other detirmining factors appear to be levels of knowledge, awareness, belief, fear, anger, hate, love, compassion and forgiveness.

How far would you go to impose, what you consider to be "right" upon others that may hold a different opinion?
What lengths would you take to "right the wrongs" in the world?
what laws would you pass?
You must consider that in germany at the time of the Nazi rule, everything Hitler did was perfectly legal.

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patrick