Just wondered what the MBT and board members take on the current UK riots .

Is this something that will blow over or the start of something much bigger ?

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Very multifactorial, I think Frank - partly sheer wanton criminality, and partly symptomatic of a deeper malaise in our society, particularly affecting poorer sections of the youth. People have been writing over the years about the emergence of the "underclass" and "feral youth", and something of the sort indeed seems to be happening. It's a breakdown in social cohesion caused, as I say, by many interacting factors - social (especially family), economic (widening gap between rich and poor) and educational (state system in meltdown, effectively, due to endless misguided 'reforms'). When you see, as I have for many years now, kids as young as 11, 12 and 13, wandering the streets of towns in the early hours of the morning, when they should be in bed ready for school the next day, you know something is deeply wrong. Where has the parenting gone? Why are they not intercepted by the police, and their cases followed up? These kids know no fear of the police or authority.

It's profoundly depressing. What's your take on it, Frank? Welcome to the forum, btw - hopefully you'll be able to discuss things here on a wider MBT front also :)

Arthur

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No. All they have is Fear of authority of openly hypocritical liars, and this is the result.
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Bette

edit: Oh, Hi new member I cannot see the name of because this is an edit, Frank? Welcome to Tom's MBT discussion groups.
Love to you and yours.

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PMR is a kindergarten of sorts. There are certain things that we expect from actual kindergartners at an elementary school: they will have a short attention span, they will hit, they will run with scissors, they will pick their nose, one or two will vomit, three will have an accident in their pants, most can't sit still, etc. These are some of the "negative" things that would be considered common in a kindergarten classroom. The kids are oblivious to the fact that such things are expected and common... to the teachers and parents though such things are obvious and even expected (they have a bigger picture view). Just as the kids start to get a little better with some of these common struggles, they move on to another grade and new little ones replace them. Thus the kindergarten class retains these themes and struggles. Some classes will be better than others across the span of time, but in general, the themes remain. So, if we fully consider that this reality is a kindergarten for spiritual growth (entropy reduction), riots, war, violence, greed, fear, etc, etc are some of the common themes. There are of course many positive things as well. A look back at the history of human existence makes it clear that these themes haven't changed much over the years. The props have changed some (technology), but the themes remain. The good news is that it is all part of growing up (spiritually).

School of hard knocks.

That's my take on it anyway.

EDIT: Welcome to the forum by the way Frank!

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They were savages who would use any excuse to rape, steal and murder. They were mindless thugs. They didn't do it because they feared authority. If they feared authority they would do what they did and certainly wouldn't have hurt and killed the innocent. One of them was interview. When asked why he was doing what he was doing he simply said: because I can.

I live in the UK and I know exactly how the yob mindframe works. Especially in London. If the government hadn't been so lenient with them by issueing ASBOs and warnings and nothing else, then perhaps the riots wouldn't have happened. They are mindless criminals and I hope that one day life means life in prison in this country. I wouldn't even call for the death penalty as that would be the easy way out.

My opinion. I hated them when it was all taking place. Hate is a normal human emotion. Just being honest. I don't hide behind facades of enlightenment. I have experienced enlightenment before though, or my idea of it...in dreams.

My two cents.

You know the mind set because it is yours too then. I believe they destroyed and stole after a murder by cop.

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SL,

Hate is a very common human emotion, and it is always based on a fear of unknown. There is no difference between hate of that mob has expressed, and hate of those who hated the mobsters. Fear is a common denominator here and there. A result might look different, but our actions are secondary, and our intent shows who we really are.

Lena

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And that justifies what they did, does it? That wasn't the reason anyway. That was their excuse to take advantage of the innocent. The guy who was killed by the police was a filthy gangster. And he wouldn't have been killed if he had surrender...so...in my eyes, it wasn't murder (that's how I perceive the data, sister, and it gets me by just fine). Murder was committed when the savages killed the innocent who tried to protect their families and property. There is no excuse for such acts so don't try to justify it with enlightening fiddlestick.

I never said it justified it, try again or not because you are set in your beliefs.
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Bette

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I'm set in my beliefs? No. I have gone through many paradigm shifts. I'm writing a book too. And all is expressed there. I am a human being just like any other...even though you Tombots here like to think of me as an abomination in OS...

LOL!

So when you sell your book will the people that see any worth in your information be SLbots? You've been trying to make a splash here for a little while now and all you are doing is ending up all wet. Do you think you are the first one to come in here with this same shtick, you aren't at all. Either ADD something useful here, learn something, or be quite. Be useful or go away please. Learning is being useful. Pointing out things specific one at a time to discuss that you don't understand or agree with about Tom's model once you have read it and tried to understand it is useful. Coming here to try to expose others as something or another that you believe they are is not useful. I usually don't like it when Ted decided the person is more negative energy than they are worth, but you seem worthy.
I usually Love everyone, funny.
Bette

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