TOE is about dealing with people where they are, not about being a gated community for low entropy

The higher the entropy, the easier the opportunity for improvement

The only fundamental is to guide someone to their personal feedback, which is the only way to figure out the next thing

there are much worse things than being an open and transparent seducer

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Well said.

On the one hand, I can develop skills in recognizing entropy in other people, dissecting their behaviours, what fears are motivating them, finding exactly the right words to describe them.

Or, I can recognize that this is a field that needs to be crossed, not to tip-toed and judged.

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I think you can approach other peoples crap from two perspectives

One is anger, judgement and superiority

Another is a dispassionate academic interest and intent to open their decision space should an opportunity arise to point out the feedback loop between maltreating women and negative feedback

That being said, I don't think that was the intent of the earlier discussion....the context was more how to get some action rather than excessive action, and my data suggests that you need to flash some form of right hemispheric credentials to get somewhere with most women...they definitely want the left hemisphere arts to be there after the wedding, but they want the soft skills for the seduction, which can be for good or not so good intent if there is deception of intent

Much of sexuality in the courtship context is theatre, and playing a part, and both actors may be in on the joke. For myself, part of the theatre to gain some traction was selling the practical car that had body parts with mismatched colours, and acquiring a sportscar convertible. 57 MGA born the same year as myself

Tom had a motorcycle by way of example how a practical person can acquire bad boy street cred. ....but after a few close calls on my Honda 350 I gave up motorcycling as being not worth the risk.


also, females need to read some Jane Austen and recapture some of the old rules regarding separating the wheat from the chaff, if they feel victimized by the seduction community

I am speaking in a straight framework as this is my experience....someone else may choose to address less conventional associations

It would be nice to see some of our gay etc friends here be more open about relationship ethics in non straight contexts

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The same MBT ethics apply across the board. There is no sex and no gender in NPMR other than as subjectively carried over from PMR experience. IUOCs in their historical development experience both 'male' and 'female' and neuter. It is still and always about the quality of your interactions and the optimization of free will, and thus QOC, for all.

Ted

I wonder though, given that IUOCs assigned a womb carrier sensor platform appear to have specific vulnerabilities PMR wise, and that there is still some truth to the adage, "it's a man's PMR", if this does not suggest more QoC implications for the IUOCs assigned a sensor platform with the lessor responsibility of penus husbandry, regarding his interactions with these womb transporter units that appear to be evenly distributed about the simulation space.

The absence of this differential in same sex relationships, suggests not quite the same magnitude of potential negative feedback, QoC wise, given the biological equivalency

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The point is that the way that things are this time in PMR are not necessarily the way they were last time or will be next time as regards your gender role. But interaction still has the same value set.

Ted

Yeah I have a friend who people probably think is gay but that I know is bi because she told me. She is with, married to, another woman because that allows her a better equality of life as I understand it.
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

A person like Ned Flanders who is always very nice and accomadating is not considered attractive by most people. I'm not sure if he would be a good example of low entropy.

from the Simpson's wiki

"Nedward "Ned" Flanders Jr. is the Simpson Family's extremely religious next "diddly-door" neighbor. He is a genuinely well-meaning good-natured person, and is one of the few in Springfield to whom that description applies. Though firmly religious, he can be timid and something of an easy pushover. He thoroughly worships God and strictly follows the Bible as literally as possible and is easily shocked when challenged on any point of dogma. He also owns the Leftorium and a home business, Flancrest Enterprises, which makes religious hook rugs. He also works as a member of the Springfield Volunteer Fire Department."

One one end of the spectrum the system churns out fearless, attractive, highly intelligent FWAUs and places them in favorable circumstances where in combination with free will, they achieve their potential...take our dutch uncle Tom for example.

At the other end of the spectrum, the system churns our fearful, unattractive, low intelligence FWAUs and places them in unfavorable circumstances and says "good luck", see you on the other side...like our fictional Ned Flanders.

FWAUs in the latter category will not be capable of absorbing or becoming aware of MBTOE, at least in its current form. Or, if they were to stumble on MBTOE, they would cling to it as they do their guns and try to make sense of it within their limited capacities.

They would hear the instruction to "become love", but much of their effort would be a mentally driven charade, their interpretation of what this means, and in a weak moment, or under the influence, they would default to kicking their cat or hitting their spouse physically or verbally...or not...depending on their inherent quality/entropy, ....what they do at the autonomic NPMR level when their frontal cortex is distracted.

Regardless, Ned strikes me as a sincere person with limited resources trying very hard to do the best he can with what he was given to work with.

We each have to ask ourselves if we are doing the best we can, with the equipment we have been given to climb this mountain, and if the Neds are making us look bad.

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^Have you ever seen Ned without his shirt on? If there was a Christian version of Magic Mike, he'd be in it.

Why are girls attracted to "high entropy" boys? I'd argue that they in fact appear to be low entropy. They appear to be unnerved in a chaotic world and in control when producing chaos. That doesn't speak to intent of action but it does speak to security and excitement.

Many "nice" guys don't project security or excitment (lack confidence and assertiveness).

Of course it could just come down to looks for either sex so 50/50.

I think some guys who are fearful and live in intentionally small worlds, interpret this to themselves as being "nice", and this may be a delusional trap, that limits their decision space regarding not only women but as well all other realms.

there are two distinct areas of fear here, one being fear of rejection and looking foolish, and the other a general fear of the world.

As far as overcoming the fear of looking foolish, it is difficult to overdo going in the other direction, as long as you are pursuing intents that have some purpose. Look to Tom's example as a normal functioning person in society, who has outed himself as an apparently insane person, to anyone looking at this from a small picture perspective.

As far as fear of the world, it is slightly less difficult to overdo going in the other direction. I knew a guy who would drive with bad brakes and no insurance who eventually killed himself playing with 220 voltage in the rain on a film set. His radical fearlessness however put him into many interesting and novel situations.

The economics of Tom's model suggest that life is not measured by length and safety, but is rather measured by data intensity per time fragment, as well as how you process that data. So looking foolish or dieing young, while in pursuit of a worthwhile dataset, is not a loss.

I am not talking about meaningless risk taking for its own sake. I am talking about saying yes to challenging opportunities, taking as much care as possible to protect your safety, incorporating your responsibilities to others in your decision tree, then rolling the dice, to increase the intensity of your simulation, or more importantly, to break an emotional depression that may be rooted in playing life to fearfully.

Watch Joe vs the Volcano (a film written by its writer following an NDE) and note the change in Tom Hanks sexual appeal to the girl when he changes from a small fearful existence to a fearless existence.

So a practise that would flow from this would be something along the lines of...do something you are afraid of, every day, very carefully.

Hitting on women that you may think are out of your range is an excellent opportunity to look foolish and reduce fear.

Beyond this we need to refine our goals and meditate upon the lyrical line "she ain't pretty, she just looks that way", and broaden our metric beyond the thought of getting laid to practical aspects and NPMR aspects.

Attaching yourself to a person who has an addictive personality will be a very different ride than investing in a person who is very effective (PMR-wise). Attaching yourself to an FWAU who is the avatar of a low entropy IUOC, is a very different ride than attaching yourself to a high entropy IUOC.

This is not "square" advice from your grandma...this is experiential mathematics. You cannot say you have not been warned.

Women, due to cultural context flowing from being uterin transporters, must take a more defensive posture in this game, and the metric comes down to more of a filtering and testing process of oncomers.

Much of what I see suggests not enough practical/rational caution in this regard and a cultural regression to pagan conditions which don't work out well for females given the sexual algorithms of this PMR.

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This thread always, by the title, seemed a little superficial to me, I guess, as well as somewhat 'hesitantly tentative' ... a question asked in a way that seemed a bit fearful of the answer lurking waiting to spring up.

I have to admit, I haven't followed the lengthy discussion closely, where I followed it at all ... but Gah! .... lookit how long it has become!

At bottom, it is as simple as this:

Spirited guys rarely only color inside the lines, so to speak. ... they tend to break the rules where they will.

Spirited guys also, (somewhat correctly) are perceived to be much likelier to deliver an interesting and exciting interchange on whatever the plane of interaction occurs ... whether it is abstract debate of philosophical ideas, or a boxing match.

Girls tend to get attracted to spirited guys, therefore, because they sense at a visceral level that there is a much greater chance of a really good 'roll-in-the-hay'.

Montana