Wow, that was really nice of Skip to respond to you personally.

I love the interview he gave where he described his first visit to the Institute. ("what, did you drop your wallet?") <-- that won't make sense to you if you haven't watched the video :)

ok, here is the deal...

i heard tom campbell on coast to coast and he talks about the evidence (tapes/soundbooth etc.)he created in the monroe labs...he thought "oh my god it's real!" and talked about, how important it was for him to prove that he wasn't hallucinating.
why diddn't he put this tapes in a golden safe?
why is it not as important now, as it was back then?
isn't there a understanding for people who like to have the evidence?
recreate it! put it on youtube! lets all be part of it!
it's much more than pure entertainment, it could provide the crucial spark for many people to
wake up, to a larger reality.
pick us up where we are right now: stuck in pmr, in desperate need of convincing data...

any thoughts?

greets chet

I may try to help you out to convince yourself. Are you desperate to experience NPMR? I can try to help you experience NPMR. Not guaranteed though. PM me.

Clau

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Chet,

Have you not seen the links to the Monroe Institute recordings on this BB? This is limited data from the past. Sort of like checking out the performance specs on a model T roadster instead of the latest Corvette or Lamborghini or something modern. My Big TOE travels far beyond the limited viewpoint of that early exploration and discovery period.

Here is a link to a thread where ObjectiveMind posted a full listing of their links.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3879

Tom went far beyond that and takes the approach that the only true proof any more is to experience it for yourself. With this I agree. Not everyone will experience the same thing, but you can all learn that your experience amounts to proof by its interlinked results within your own experience.

Ted

ted,

I listened earlier to some of the tapes at the monroe institute website,
but so far I could't find a tape/video recording that gave me the evidence I'm looking for.
maybe your link leads to the evidence...thank you for posting it.

greets chet

Chet,

The one you're looking for, where Tom and Dennis travel together and experience the same things, is no longer available per information someone here received from the institute. I agree that it is strange that something seemingly of such great importance was lost. Of course, the truth is that for the participants it did not need to be retained. The effect it had on the participants was the important thing. Tom passed a critical threshhold from believer to knower.
Those of the Explorer tapes that are available are a fascinating insight into how the Explorers were operating at the time. Changing states of consciousness and conversing with nonphysical beings were all in a day's work for them. It won't provide proof to true non-believers. They will write it off as hallucinations or out right fabrications on the part of the Explorers. To me, that theory is almost equally unlikely, as that would require the participants to all be highly intelligent and creative beings who were quick on the draw to provide the material that came through in response to unscripted questions from Monroe. It's possible, but not probable, that all of the participants were so well equipped.
Consciousness exploration is highly subjective and personal. I think, like Tom in his experience with Dennis, the only absolute proof you will find is through your own experience. The ah ha moment will come eventually if you stick with it. Then you will be convinced, and that is all that matters.

Ramon

Ramon,

True. And amazingly I'm on my way now. I had some great lucid dreams, with guides in the form of Albert Einstein and Robert Monroe, who told me how to work in NPMR (flying, going through walls etc.). It was realy amazing. Funny enough I had to leave my normal dreamstate and went through a tunnel to get to them, same on the way out...

greets Chet

Chet,

That's awesome man! It definitely sounds like you're on your way.

The dream state is a great conduit for NPMR information. For several years, I have been having precognitive info coming through occasionally. It seems to always be symbolic, though, and meaningful after the fact. Sort of like, "Ah, so that's what that was about." Too bad because the information could be useful if I only understood what it meant beforehand. I'm working on it though.

Ramon

Hi Chet,
If you find yourself there again with Bob could you find out if he ever received a personally signed book from Louis Gittner called "Words From The Source", if you think of it, please? If it works that way. If you came back with what is actually signed in the book, well, unless I've already written it here somewhere (and you were mean, which I think is NOT the case), that would be VERY interesting. Tell Al I said hi, and that I love him, please, seriously. Thank you.
Love
Bette

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hi bette,

as you wish...:-) but I think of them more as guides who appear in a form (a person) that I would trust.
but I don't know for sure...what do you think?

greets chet

I can tell you this:

When Greta and I first started to experiment with the Ouija board, we spontaneously had a contact come through claiming to be... you guessed it: Bob Monroe. I asked "Bob" if there was anything he could say to us to "prove" who he was. He simply said, "Far Journeys." Then we proceeded to ask questions and "he" proceeded to answer them, kindly and politely. I was actually pretty convinced that we were talking to the personality who had been Bob incarnate. Then I decided to ask Tom about it... and here is what he said (directly pasted from an email):










-Cole

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That was informative, Cole, thanks for sharing that.

Several interesting points to puzzle over in there!

-Montana

cole,

interesting thoughts.
I will try to ask the questions Tom mentioned, although I have a feeling
these guys are "just" guides, trying to make me feel comfortable.

- chet

I avoid ouija boards. Too easy to get what you don't want!

Tom's experiments with Bob can be duplicated. It takes a little bit of audio engineering, very little, Three people, two of which can do OOBE and talk with their PMR bodies at the same time.

With two people on microphones in different rooms, one on the left channel and one on the right channel, both going OOBE to the same place and conversing out loud is all it takes. Record and play back and there you have it.

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Cole, thank you for sharing this with us. I agree with Montana, it gives us a lot to chew on.