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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:22 pm 
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Sorry, Lisa, Bette. using 'God' is too much baggage and a very misleading metaphor. To the point of high noise in the data stream.

Besides what's the reason again, you've been using it ... forever ?

Oh, well seems to be nothing more than resistance and we know who benefits from that, the EGO.

Good Luck with that.


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I'm just saying I don't freak out if someone wants to say something happened because of god anymore. It's just a word, it's just data.
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RBM wrote: using 'God' is too much baggage and a very misleading metaphor. To the point of high noise in the data stream. Besides what's the reason again, you've been using it ... forever ? Oh, well seems to be nothing more than resistance and we know who benefits from that, the EGO.

Dear RBM,
That sounds to me like alot of judgment. High noise in the data stream... sounds like a definite insult.

Are you trying to see anything through my eyes? Are you trying to understand the reason(s) for what I am doing? For what I'm saying? Are you trying to show me any compassion, love, empathy, understanding... by trying to walk a mile (or a few feet) in my moccasins? Are you listening to what I have to say, to what I have to contribute? Or, are you judging/ criticizing/ condeming my thoughts/ actions/ words/ and or me?

I don't understand. I am asking for clarification. Please clarify. -- Lisa

P.S. Hello to Bette.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:44 pm 
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Lisa,

For clarification, those are the pitfalls I see with the usage of 'God', from my perspective of knowledge of MBT-defined belief systems. If you can derive spiritual growth through experiencing those pitfalls, then ... that's your path.

What is the value to you in using that metaphor given (*) knowledge of MBT ? Or, are you still in-process of reconciling personal religious beliefs with the MBT ?

I have no need of those pitfalls and would view the metaphor of 'God' as high noise to the data stream.

* My operating assumption is you have read the MBT and understand the belief system structure regarding religion/God per MBT and seek clarity that the MBT has to offer.


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There is too much emotion attached to those three specific letters (in this language) put together in that order with the first one capitalized that is absolutely tied in with long standing cultural belief systems for that word with all the emotions attached to it to do anything but pacify those clinging to it because they are too afraid to think for themselves, and that truly believe they are better than someone that does not buy into that belief system.

I was thinking about that joke I like, this one.

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? "No, no I didn't hear about that, what about it?" Yeah well, this person sat up all night pondering the existence of Dog.

It isn't the word god that is so problematic, it is the history of the concept of God that makes it only good for talking about one of three specific religious belief systems in our cultural. All the dogma associated with it make the term limited, especially when one really sees what a limiting concept it is.

I do feel that people that really can not see beyond that belief system to the point of thinking they are not responsible for their actions, that they can recite some words, or pay a penance, and be "forgiven" of what is in most cases just breaking a social norm, and not a "sin" in the big picture where manipulating an other absolute free will for your own selfish profit or pleasure is the only thing remotely sinful, other than not protecting someone with less decision space from being manipulated, they may have some reason to be watched out for too. Obviously they may also be more easily manipulated, and need some protection as well if they are just blind, and not blind and dangerous. In addition to those using that belief system to use others who are not blind, and dangerous who society needs some information and protection on and from, respectfully.

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Ferdinand, *excited* I have the answer!!! I know what it will take to prove paranormal activity! *playful, acting like an innocent 5 y.o.* It's easy... all you have to do is make the researches have a near death experience. Change their long-held internal belief system.

The Lucid Light Stimulator may do just that. (Or Lucid Light Machine as some call it)

http://www.gesund-im-licht.at/en/die-hy ... hrung.html

One person I keep in touch with has purchased one for everyday use in the UK. I believe they are 18k each, so not a l"light " decision to make.

Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjoerLJ ... ata_player


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Beware of inducing epileptic type seizures with flashing type lights. I refer you to this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy This is something that can be dangerous to play around with.

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Ted Vollers wrote:

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He is in the process of travel and presenting lectures in California at present.

Darn, Tom's in California speaking and I'm missing him?

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Walker,

I suspect it was a while back when I said that. It should give the date in the top right corner of the post. I don't know where Tom is right now or what he is doing, other than he said that he was way behind on his e-mails. Also that he is doing weekly or more often interviews.

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