Swedishnovice wrote:
Ive been searching the web for proof that the OBE is real and that you can gather proof from it, I havent found anything.
Why I wanted proof was because I was once into telekenesis and all the webbsites about it were professional and they said that it worked, but there are no proof of it working what so ever.
If OBEs were real I think it should be in Campbells intrest as a phycisist to prove it and to educate the public about its reality, it would be so extremely important to everybody and it would give so much importance to peoples lives.
Now, why cant anyone leave their body and go read for example a note that someone wrote in a distant location?
Much like remote viewing but actually travel to that location and then report on what the note said.
Why havent this been done and why havent I seen any atempts on it? How real the experience might be it can still be in your head, the brain is a very powerfull thing.
You must see my skepticism, there is alot of people telling different stories on what to believe, you cant try to prove every single thing people tell you is real if there arent any evidence? I just find it so extremely difficult to believe that it would be none and yet a phycisist would accept it as reality, I really do.
Dont hate me, im just wondering.
Good questions.
I know there are some really good answers, but I am not sure I can pull them up from the magic hat. :)
First off, many questions posed by people new to My Big TOE are answered in the trilogy, maybe not directly but then synthesized.
Of course it's Tom's interest to share knowledge and information, but that can only be done to a certain limit. Writing the trilogy, making this board and doing workshops is profitable (consciousness) for the system yes. But knowledge cannot be forced, and it should not. Simply put, people shall look for Tom, not the opposite. It is not Tom's job to act like a prophet, and do mass-teachings. Hehe, we can tell from history what that has given us. If people are ready for the knowledge, they will naturally come and look for it. If they are not, they are not. Remember, the knowledge is not imperative for a spiritual growth. What matters is input and experience, knowing that reality is otherwise than most people think can be helpful, if one improves oneself on that knowledge. If one doesn't change and evolve the intellectual knowledge won't do a damn thing.
So as you can see, Tom does a great deal to share his knowledge and experience, but it can't be forced.
The experiments you are talking about have been done, but mostly as "personal science" and not public science.
I have earlier done some statistical calculations on the likelihood of OOBE being proven by a born-blind person being able to see and explore. The chance of that ever happening in a controlled-reproduce-many-times-experiment is very close to none. And my guess is that the chance is not much higher in other situations.
Why can't everybody leave their body? Well, everybody do, but not in the sense you mean.
Basically, there are some constraining factors involved. The quality of your consciousness, belief and fear mostly.
It is simply not PRODUCTIVE for everyone to go and party in the NPMR, it is not why we are here. We are here to evolve are consciousness, and that is primarily done by free-will choices in PMR. One must realize that the consciousness system as whole prioritize the optimal growth of our consciousness first, and not how good we are at operating in NPMR. It couldn't care less about everyone doing remote viewing or leaving the body. It is not the most optimal way for growth and it would damage the integrity of the PMR as a learning school. But sure, it won't stop you if you are ready.
I am sure the experiment with the note has been done before successfully. But the problem is every account of experience will be subjective, there is no empirical evidence, statistical possibly. We cannot make consciousness physical, measure it with some instrument, and when science wants strictly objective results, experiments about consciousness becomes difficult. It would be contradictory for OOBE to be proven with contemporary methodology of science. The only what to really prove it is by being the one experiencing, but how will you prove it to others?
When dealing with pioneering research, new paradigms and a new understanding of reality, don't expect support from mainstream science. They feel comfortable in the middle of circle, and want to stay there. We someone wants to make the circle bigger while being at the edge they oppose strongly.
Btw, there are no solid evidence for telekinesis, I have looked. I think telekinesis conflicts too much with our rule-set and very much with the Psi uncertainty principle. I do not expect someone to have that ability.
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