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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:22 pm 
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What's up Montana? What do you think about the idea in the last post? I'd like to help others and help myself in visualizations and telepathy. Interested?

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Montana,

In general I agree with you. I don't claim any "moral high ground" and would appreciate feedback of the same nature if I was being arrogant or seemingly inconsiderate toward others. This kind of feedback is actually good for us in many ways... Its the "objective" part of our growth in many ways...

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soprano wrote:
What's up Montana? What do you think about the idea in the last post? I'd like to help others and help myself in visualizations and telepathy. Interested?

Claudio



Hiya Clau,

How were things down south? I have never been there, wonder what it is all like to actually live there and all. Some of the geography seems so nice in the pictures... Ah well.

I'm not sure what the objective is in your project...?

-Montana


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Hey,
This is getting to be another one of these alternately contentious and informative threads. But yeah we should stay on topic. In a sense that's what general ego conflict patterns do - take awareness "off topic" or mix the topic up with a kind of tennis match or laddering situation. Thanks all for the replies and thanks to Cole and Claudio for understanding my point of view and putting in a good word for me and my take on the situation.

As far as Ted goes, it's quite obvious to most people here that the communication has gone into an "ego type" framework in his responses. They are taking form in certain general arrogant, offence/defense, scolding modalities. People do that because they think it's better. It's OK. Realizations must be self evident. Ted will have to come to self evident recognition of the nature of ego type frameworks as they relate to him in these posts for friendlier more open comm to result. It's fine It'll happen when it happens. We're all working through things and it's rolling. Deep stuff, deeper than we may realize. Feel it. Most of us are interacting in a different way so let's go with that. Ted, here's to some better talks next time - "clink."

I'd definitely like to try some of this visualization stuff Claudio. Let's get some ideas going. Could be on the phone or internet. It seems you're talking about something to do with "thought visualizations" to start things off. Like visualizing trees or rocks or whatever. I hadn't really thought of that.

Tell you what - let's just kick this off by you, me, and Cole visualizing "trees and branching" at the same time. Also we'll take note of the sight dot field and any visual patterns in this "manifest" visual field of phys reality and how they may respond to these purely imaginal viusalizations. Just note anything that happens, any concurrences between our visions or anything unusual or of interest. Afterward we could maybe visualize Haiti and see what we get and see if we can send healing vibes and all that. But I'd like to start with the trees - kinda like for its significance also as a symbol of branching, connecting awareness.

Cole are you in Eastern time or central? Both you and Claudio post what time in your respective time zones you like to do it, and anybody who wants to join in also. I kinda agree with Cole that doing it without the phone interaction, at least at first, might be a good idea. Allows there to be a purer specifically mental connection. But later, yeah we could probably talk on the phone and exchange numbers. I don't even know where you live Claudio, Italy?

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Montana:

I had a great time there. It is summer there now. I went to a city south of Buenos Aires (the capital) called Mar del Plata where most of my family lives. It is a city that gets a lot of turists in summer. It is in the coast (Atlantic ocean). It is a very nice city. The restaurants were very cheap and I gained 8 pounds on my trip (imagine). I already lost 2 pounds in these days after coming back. You can get live cams here (after the commercials): http://www.canal79tv.com.ar/

It's more like training but it can be considered a project. We can practice visualizations and get some telepathic results in the trying. I realize that sometimes we don't practice because we don't say firmly let's do it. I think some of us can benefit by making a commitment to try at a certain time and date. We can just do it once a week to start with. How about Monday? 8pm EST or may be we can sacrifice in EST to do it at 11pm so that people in PST can do it at 8pm.

Will:

Ted is a great soul Will, he might also do that to help you in organizing your thoughts which he may perceive disorganized and may want to put some order to them, his way.

Good ideas about the visualization. Well I answered the time zone above. Focusing on Haiti is a great idea. I have to focus more myself. I didn't focus enough. Hopefully I can help some dead or alive being there. That's a good project. If you want to start the colors project we can start next week, with Cole or without him and with whoever wants to explore NPMR (Fisy is welcome too :). Everybody is welcome. We can try dots Will, but I suggest just start with colors before going too much into shapes.

Which time zone are you in Will? I am in Miami, Eastern time.

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The Silver Sea. Sounds wonderful Clau...! Don't take this wrong, but, why on earth did you come back? To lose weight???

I had actually been giving an idea like yours some thought in recent weeks. The boardies have lots of energy to use and without a channel, gefuffles of every stripe sprout up.

I think we should start a new thread for such a project, I will do that now, and call it " The Cave " (every descriptive name I can think of (( "Community Ideation" etc, sounds horrible!) and stick it within the "Communication Within Consciousness Space" forum, and try to muster some opening ideas there presently.

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Some of you guys should re-read your previous posts.


MONTANA : Anyone claiming the 'ego' moral high ground by pointing out someone else's arrogance... well, there's a seed thought for a meditation, eh?
Re-Read that statement made by Montana

We can argue points of MBT in the fire, agree or disagree, but this isn't about a specific issue regarding MBT. This is something that is being taken personally and not by Ted I might add.

Continually gossiping about Ted post after post? You might as well be having a disparaging conversation about him sitting right next to you. Kind of rude, no?
Ted is a pretty direct individual. He has never proclaimed to be a saint nor has he bragged about his entropy levels. A teacher doesn't always have to be a gentle kind fluffy cloud of a person. His job here is to try and maintain understanding of concepts as related to Tom's MBT as well as being a moderator and he has never pretended to be Tom.

He is Ted, I don't agree with everything he says or does etc, maybe he is harsh at times and can be sarcastic and toss a lash out now and then, he has the nickname of grumpy old Ted?
Ever think this was a test? On second thought we are constantly tested one way or the other.

Hey Tom! It seems that people were shocked because Ted claimed to have a better understanding of MBT than them.
I think the first thing Tom would say about that is, So? What's the big deal? is an ego under fire, incoming!

How you react has nothing to do with Ted and his remarks however objectively perceived, it's about you and your subjective interaction that follows. People may be more evolved than Ted but he may still understand MBT better than you. If Ted offers something take what you can of value and move on. At the core, this is about evolving toward love not who has the moral high ground.

If someone has a specific issue with Ted you should be directing your posts to him as a private message.

FYI, You guys in this thread all offer value in my book.
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soprano wrote:
Say hi to Greta.

Cole, without the phone can be good too. I see some drawbacks though. But we can try. We should start with simple stuff cause we are not in general so perceptive. I have an idea. We can have a volunteer to try to think or visualize just a color, no matter what shapes. Let's start with just a few colors:

Yellow, Red, Green, Blue, Orange

I would start with these 5 colors. A volunteer will transmit for a week one of this colors and then the following week we will try to guess it. The chances to guess it are 1/5 = 20%, which are pretty low (lower than 50%). Eventually we'll detect some good transmitters and good receivers. The advantage of the phone connection is that you are already connected through the PMR VR and you established a better connection with the help of the voice, etc. We should try both. I also don't have the time to do a lot of phone things. But I can do a 15-20 min session a week let's say at around 8pm more or less (taking into account other time zones). We can actually study a possible dependency of how the PMR communication helps, because we can also do it with Chat instead of phone. Actually chat would be a good alternative. We can use facebook chat too, there are several of us in facebook.

Actually we can do the 5 colors experiment using chat in facebook and eventually people might develop shape visualizations during the trials. Eventually we can start making more complex transmissions if successful.

Edit: I was thinking we may also try more than one transmitter, that way the transmitter will practice visualizations when trying that. We can also correlate the intensity of the visualizations with the transmissions. Independently of the success of the transmissions we will all practice meditation/visualization on trying them and might develop other stuff as well.

Claudio


Yeah I'd forgotten you already posted that experiment idea Claudio. That does seem pretty cool actually. Color rather than some form. Start more basic. Color is one of the more basic visual properties. That of course could also relate to the dots, the granularity - we could note any color properties there - in the general field of "physically observable CEV" i.e the sight dot field as well. Then we can move to the trees experiment or whatever next. You suggested something first so we could begin there. I'm in Eastern Standard Time - I live in the Buffalo, NY area. Western NY. Snow capital of the country. Poguft (sonic representation that just came to me that reminds me of Buffalo and snow).

I've actually been wanting to do this kind of psychic experimentation for a long time using the internet as a starting contact point. It's an obvious next step - an obvious place to start exploring. If we get this going and it gets momentum it could really be interesting. We could even try your basic remote viewing stuff. I went to a group - not online, an actual meeting, around here recently where we tried out remote viewing. It was held at a reportedly haunted museum around here called the Iron Island Museum. This is a place that has been featured on one of those ghost hunting t.v. shows I can't remember which one. No major conclusive results but it was interesting. It was only one try. So we could definitely do that kind of thing after trying out some of these preliminary exercises. I get the feeling it's kinda like a muscle, the more you exercise it the stronger it gets. We could try to see where each other are spacially i.e. the room they're in and whatever. Tons of possibilities.

Monday at 11 EST would work for me, probably on a regular basis. I think a bit later is better both for the other time zones and because people might sleep a little later. Still no goddamn job, vehicle, apartment or phone of my own that's turned on, LOL, so no schedule conflicts. If you want to try calling on Sheila's phone, at whose place I'm crashing, its: 716-597-2308. I can usually be reached there or you can leave a message for me. That goes for you Claudio, Cole, or anybody else that may want to contact me about this, or just to say hi. Email address is: will_macbride@yahoo.com

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so lonely, so lonely, so lonelyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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ya see lonely in the general sense because awareness is fragmented, split up, compartmentalized, divisive, etc. and doesn't necessarily realize the true nature of this. Just because some people are there doesn't mean it necessarily always goes away. This is deep stuff and the real recognition/resolution of it will be correspondingly deep. As a matter of fact "psychic" or CS (or psi communication? I always get confused by the term psi - is that just to indicate psychic phenomena?) space comm has everything to do with this.

I was thinking last night that I wanted to put the following info out and set in motion:

I don't pretend to fully know Claudio knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know Cole knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know Montana knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know Ted knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know JackintheBox knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know Bette knowingness, all the data in her info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know her better.

I don't pretend to fully know Tom knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.

I don't pretend to fully know Aerolynda123 knowingness, all the data in her info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know her better.

I don't pretend to fully know ObjectiveMind knowingness, all the data in his info set, life experience, so I'd like to get to know him better.



this sets up a pattern of info magnetism and opens things up, psi or otherwise. Love.

This as, obviously, in contrast to the ego/compartmentalization/projection/assumption patterns that pretends to know and compete for knowingness, take superficial evaluations, defend partial knowingness, jump to automatic conclusions, attack/defend on the basis of these conclusions - all that. All comes from same framework. This is really important stuff. It's also really goofy and idiot simple. On a high power site like this we could leave that far behind. I hope you don't need to associate it solely with me, Will, saying it. It really is just there and self-evident. Forget about Will and then think about it. You all know this anyway. Re-recognize.

Will

I also got the following song playing in me head: "something is happening and you don't know what it is. Do you... Mr. Ted?"

Haw Haw Haw Fun Playing Interplay.

Also strange: I was watching a documentary on the Beatles' as songwriters last night and they were saying they were influenced by Dylan's work - and that song was mentioned. Brian Jones thought it might have been about him. In fact I think I'm gonna look up the lyrics to that song and sing it right now and play it on my guitar.


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Don't you want to get to know me better, Will?

I've only quickly scanned this thread but I think I've seen enough to put my two cents worth in. Cole has a very good point. Ted's personality can be very off-putting, especially to newbies, it almost stopped me from hanging around here. But Ted is not Tom, and if Tom had the time to moderate these forums, I'm sure the whole board would be significantly different.

We have to do the best with what we've got, eh? Tom has placed a great amount of trust in Ted, I'm sure there's a very good reason for it.


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I edited you in there Aerolynda. So that answers your question.

I basically like Ted. How could I not basically like another info set, another part of The Consciosuness?

Sorry if that seems impersonal but in a certain sense love is "impersonal."

You could say I basically love Ted. Simple enough, hunh?

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I have full intention to take this out of the feild of "personal human squabbles." This is something much purer, much more unfmiliar, much more "objective." Love, believe it or not, if you wanna call it that. Not necessarily what you're used to.


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Will and everybody else:

Montana started the thread "The Cave". Let's move the discussion there regarding connecting training. I think it would be nice to start breaking the ice next week.

I see this group project productive because as in my case sometimes I end up watching some TV instead of practicing NPMR training and by committing to some weekly meeting we not only may commit as a group training but also as individual trainings later on.

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Will1987 wrote:
I edited you in there Aerolynda. So that answers your question.
Thank you, that not only answers my question but makes me feel better. Included.
Will1987 wrote:
I basically like Ted. How could I not basically like another info set, another part of The Consciosuness?
No idea, but lots of people don't like lots of other people around here (I don't mean here in the forum, I mean here on Earth). That doesn't make it right, it's just the way things are.
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Sorry if that seems impersonal but in a certain sense love is "impersonal."
Yes, in a way, it sure is! Bodiless.
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You could say I basically love Ted. Simple enough, hunh?

Will
Sure is. Good enough for me. I love him too.

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No, the key is where you place the emphasis.


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How you react has nothing to do with Ted and his remarks however objectively perceived, it's about you and your subjective interaction that follows. People may be more evolved than Ted but he may still understand MBT better than you. If Ted offers something take what you can of value and move on. At the core, this is about evolving toward love not who has the moral high ground.


Good post OM. I just want to add that MBT as a model of reality/ies includes all realities. As such it automatically grows on its own and you can't stop any being to add or question some aspects of it. As such, saying that Ted understands MBT better than somebody else is of relative value. The only real value you can get is only after you OMS any statement coming from Ted, Tom or whoever. In doing that I discovered two things: one that Ted has his own model (I named it MBTTV) which is mainly MBT with some differences regarding origins and evolution/growing aspects, but mainly the same besides these. I also discovered he is very wise and he is the most important contributor to this board and the knowledge in it. I think he contributed more than Tom to this board. Now, some people may think I put Ted before Tom. Well, certainly his efforts are, unquestionably. His, dedication, his thinking. Ted is the number one here. This does not mean people should only take for granted everything he says. We should be skeptical to Ted, Tom and everybody.

It's all relative.

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