We learn from MBT (the books, board, workshops etc), that all our perceptions within consciousness space are interpretations of incoming data streams. Consistent data streams, those interpreted along much the same lines by all the recipients, make up what we call the virtual realities (VRs). Our PMR, of course, is one, and the effect of the data consistency is to create an illusion of objectivity. We are all "constrained" to experience the same data. The apparent objectivity holds up until we start looking at the quantum level, when it is revealed for what it is, and the objectivity falls apart. In NPMR there are also VRs, e.g. the one maintained to ease transition out of a PMR session. As we know from MBT, all perception in NPMR is subjective, so the perception of the after-death VR (to keep that example) will be different for each IUOC, (or group of IUOCs, who may hold similar beliefs, etc). We make our own "heavens". The consistency of these NPMR VR data streams is therefore obviously of a different nature, almost as if we can "pick and choose" (poor analogy) what we experience.

It is probably not possible to understand how this system might work in this way in any detail, (I suppose there's a limit even to what Tom C can glean from his explorations), but this concept of constrainment and less constrainment, and how it is achieved, intrigues me, as it seems to be central to the way reality operates. I wonder if anyone else has pondered along these lines?

Arthur

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Hi Arthur:

May be it can open your mind that objectivity can also be created by "common" or "shared" subjectivities.

Also, the data is perfect, the interpretation is limited by the capability of the IUOC to perceive and interpret the perfect data. Think of some paper with different sizes of letters. Some people may read only the big letters, others all letters, including the smallest ones and a clever one might bring a microscope and see some bugs or bacteria, another one comes and uses the same microscope and disagrees with the first one about which bacteria/bugs are present there ...

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When I ponder this, Arthur, what comes to mind is that the data stream is specific to each of us per all of the life experience packets data we've generated (with a little help from our friends), and how well it has been organized. The data stream is custom. I am starting to realize how well humanity might really to doing considering that concept. We do create our own reality, our own data stream by building upon experiences and feedback from them, and then organizing (our part of) it to a more useful lower Entropy higher Quality of Consciousness. I am beginning to think that we are all walking around in fairly different realities, but have just figured out a way to go around that by believing that we are all having the same experience, experiencing the same reality. We being humanity on general.

This is a favorite story of mine so I hope it hasn't been shot down without my knowing. A tribe whose environment was deep in thick jungle had a bias of line of sight being short because there were no distant views deep in the jungle where they stayed. Outsiders came and took several men to the plains where there were long distance views to behold. The tribesmen could not perceive a distant "beast" as being a big old beast far away, they perceived is as a small animal close up.

Considering how many of us are here, and all the different environmental niches we employ, I'm surprised we do as well as we do do. ;)
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Bette, there is nothing wrong in each of us on walking around in fairly different realities. It is actually useful to have different experiences for each IUOC, because each IUOC is actually attracted to the experiences it needs for their evolution. The PMR VR has consistent data (like you mentioned "the same reality"). Each IUOC experiences differently.

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I concur, there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem very useful to notice it, to me anyway, you too I'd bet.
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Interesting ponderings, Clau and bette, all along the lines of my own thinking. I think the idea that "objectivity" is created by a shared subjectivity is a good way of putting it. The shared subjectivity though, must be engineered by the system in some way - the tighter constrainment of the PMRs, however that might be achieved, vs. the less constrained VRs of NPMR. What sort of "device" that might be, is what intrigues me. It must be written into the rule-set, for sure. Which begs another question, or pondering - do VRs in NPMR also have rule-sets, however loosely configured they may be compared to PMRs? Your point about the data streams being "custom", bette, chimes too. Something along the lines of a template or skeleton, upon which IUOCs construct their own view, and again much more loosely presented in NPMR than in PMR. Tom writes in MBT of IUOCs being constrained to a rule-set in PMR, but could it also be that the data stream is more comprehensive, less open to interpretation, as much as the IUOC's constrainment to it? Or am I off the wall here?

MBT also implies that any of us here may also have "jobs" simultaneously in NPMR, i.e. we may, some of us, ourselves, be playing a part in this vast engineering scheme. We know that Tom certainly does. Perhaps (or not) in this connection, I had a dream just before waking a few days ago (after sleeping in late), which at the time of having it, seemed to be significant enough for me to be aware that I should try to remember it when I awoke, which I did. The scene was of a lounge-type room, with side doors. I was having a conversation with my late father (passed away 21 years ago), though he was out of sight behind one of the side doors, and never came into view (this seemed a classic metaphor for this type of dream). The conversation was very matter-of-fact, not as you might expect a loving reunion type of meeting (though I have had those sort of dreams with him in earlier years after he passed over). I was asking him specific questions, and getting specific answers. The whole gist of the talk was that he was working on something, and I apparently was working in the same general organisation, or area, as he was. Annoyingly, I can't recall any but the last of my questions, and his answers to them. In the last question, I asked him exactly where he was working, and he replied rather grumpily, and reluctantly, along the lines of, "Oh, alright, if you insist, I'll tell you - I'm in 'Exposed Management Division'", or at least that what I think he said. I have no idea what (or if) this might be a metaphor for, (apart from perhaps a slightly rude one!), but it set me wondering, at the very least.

You're surely right bette about each of us experiencing a slightly different 'take' on reality, and as Clau says, that's normal and all to plan for our evolution. Good anecdote about the tribesmen!

Arthur

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Hi Arthur:

Arthur: The shared subjectivity though, must be engineered by the system in some way - the tighter constrainment of the PMRs, however that might be achieved, vs. the less constrained VRs of NPMR. What sort of "device" that might be, is what intrigues me.

Claudio: Well I don't think the system intervenes in the shared subjectivity in a case by case basis constantly even though it might intervene when considers it important to do so. CS does keep control of the rule-sets of how can those shares subjectivities can create objectivity. There is a general concept which I also agree with that you can notice NPMR "areas" (not in space) where objects created by this shared subjectivity last longer than others. People refer them of areas or more or less density or higher or lower frequencies. This PMR has very limiting rules for affecting objects through PMR Physics. The device may be "fractal devices" but in my model I can think of them like protocols comparing to let's say IP (Internet Protocol), which rules how communications are handled in NPMR. The protocols are information and need Consciousness to store them so they can act in ruling. I think Tom may be able to further describe this. I don't know enough details.

Arthur: It must be written into the rule-set, for sure.

Claudio: Right.

Arthur: Which begs another question, or pondering - do VRs in NPMR also have rule-sets, however loosely configured they may be compared to PMRs? Your point about the data streams being "custom", bette, chimes too.

Claudio: I disagree with the "custom" aspect and I will till I can find otherwise. I think CS runs mainly in "automatic mode". This was said several times by William Buhlman.
I think the data of the VR is there and depending on our queries (on how deep we go towards information) we get the information through our PMR body interface. Somebody may say "custom" because it is received by our body interface, but I generalized because in NPMR it does not need to go that way.

Arthur: Something along the lines of a template or skeleton, upon which IUOCs construct their own view, and again much more loosely presented in NPMR than in PMR. Tom writes in MBT of IUOCs being constrained to a rule-set in PMR, but could it also be that the data stream is more comprehensive, less open to interpretation, as much as the IUOC's constrainment to it? Or am I off the wall here?

Claudio: I think the data is always perfect, very well defined and this was an answer to me by Tom when I asked him. Think of the HTML code of a web page let's say. It is well defined, but then different browsers or programs read the same data and process them in different ways (even though in this case there are standards that are followed). I think each IUOC has a built in interpretation system that dynamically changes in time as the IUOC changes in time. Changes happen every time any of its parts experiences something (not only our experiences here but also of our parts of ourselves like you mentioned other tasks being done in NPMR sharing the same IUOC).

Bottom line we all build our own interpretation system and that makes each IUOC unique. Each of us have our own programs (in comparing with computers) which we constantly update as we experience.

Claudio

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Arthur,

See if this clarifies anything for you. The PMR VR data streams are all consistent under normal conditions. They are constrained to follow a rule set that is in many ways like science tries to discover. There is mass and it is conserved. It can't just appear and disappear. There is energy and it must be conserved. There is a whole set of equations that inter relate these functions. The same ones that I, as an engineer, used to calculate a model of what happened inside a sheet material as it was dried by applying heat to one side by conduction and allowing steam to dissipate from the other free surface as it dried.

Then the data streams are customized for the viewpoint of each IUOC observing a given scene via their Virtual sub set of their total IUOC that is constrained to also meet the PMR rule set and the specifics of that given PMR life experience. These customizations allow for the fact that you are standing on one corner of a street and someone else, whether a few feet away or on the other side of the street, will perceive everything from a different angle of perspective or are in fact looking in entirely different directions. The other aspect of this customization is that the data stream adjusts over time for the fact that you start out as an infant weighing say 7 pounds and grow in height and weight based upon the PMR rule set and your life experience. This means that your eye sight changes over time in terms of it's clarity and also in terms of your eyes height above the ground. If you have some kind of physical disability, it is part of the PMR rule set and not an aspect of your Mind as it exists as an IUOC so the data stream is customized for that. If you are drinking alcohol or on drugs, the data stream must also be customized to produce the effects of that PMR aspect. Extrapolate this to cover all aspects of your experience customized for your PMR body and it's capabilities and limitations.

Then let's suppose that you are putting away alcohol and possibly a psychotropic drug as well and proceed to step out into the path of traffic. Your guidance goes into overdrive and gets permission to give you a wake up call. So instead of being killed by the oncoming traffic, you are effectively teleported a few feet to out of harm's way. This is no problem to do in a VR as your experience is the incoming data stream, not the fact that you are drunk and weigh entirely too much to have just jumped out of the path of that car. Then the Psi Uncertainty Principle steps in and everyone who might have noticed the break in the continuity of the PMR reality, except for you for whom the exercise in the nature of reality is being held, is distracted, looking the other way, has dust blown in their eyes or whatever it takes to distract them and conceal the break in the rule set. You have had your input data stream customized big time to give you a wake up call on several levels. That everything is not exactly what it seems for one. And that you better get your act together and knock off the futzing around with drugs and alcohol before you get your ass creamed next time. You get a small dose of the PUP as, being drunk, etc., you are never entirely clear on what happened, but you get enough that is calibrated by your guidance to act as a wake up call which you then interpret as understanding that cracks can exist in reality as it normally progresses or perhaps you are only ready to say, Thank you God for that one. Everyone else gets a full dose of the PUP, at least if they were not supposed to see. Perhaps one of the onlookers has just happened to have read My Big TOE and are catching on to VRs and Consciousness Space and IUOCs and they get to see it in it's complete anomalous occurrence. Their guidance has arranged for them to see through the PMR reality to the true reality behind it for their enlightenment so they say to themselves, Aha!

So everyone has a different 'take' on reality. Depending on their history and development, they see nothing out of the ordinary for quite ordinary reasons as arranged by the PUP. Or they get a rap on the side of the head to clean up their act. Or they realize that they have been given the gift of a full look through a crack in the facade of the PMR reality.

In NPMR, you are experiencing a much different and simpler rule set. If you experience an OOBE, you are experiencing whatever you experience through the Virtual aspect of your IUOC that is experiencing this PMR experience packet and interpreting it through your history that you are capable of remembering. If you can remember past lives or something of NPMR direct or through dreams, then you have different limitations on your interpretation. If you are a very rare individual such as Tom, who can parallel process multiple data streams and has such a long conscious memory of NPMR experiences, you interpret things on a vastly different basis. If your primary existence is presently NPMR, with no PMR parallel experience going on, then you are experiencing NPMR with the NPMR virtual rule set controlling so your experience is again different. In all cases, it is simply a matter of your PMR Virtual self switching it's attention from one data stream to another, if it develops this capability. You might even be experiencing more than one PMR experience packet and again, this is just a matter of your IUOC switching it's attention and also the proper virtual aspect of itself to receive and interpret the proper piece of input data stream.

Let me know if I missed anything.

Ted

Claudio you disagree that we each have a custom data stream per our experiences, that we each have our own reality, create our own reality using our consciousness stream data content?
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This is just so full of meaning for me and what I have been dealing with in about every area where there are people and information and the division seems purposely there to disallow any progress or actual useful information. I don't know if it is just becoming more visable, or if I can somehow see it differently than I could before, but our entire system of information is broken, it is a bunch of broken threads. I think much of it is on purpose, and I know it has to go. I'm personally sick of it, and when I see it I point it out and I don't care who get's ruffled. It time to fix this because it is becoming more exposed. Perhaps I'm working on that too Arthur, in my dreams and in my waking life.
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Bette

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Surely, each of us can create our own reality. I don't know why you guys like to use the word customized. I don't like that word because I think it sounds inefficient. It reminds me of custom made dresses, surfboards, etc. The VRs are efficient systems and as such are usually run in "automatic" mode. If you used the word "customized" to mean that each of us has an interface that evolves (our PMR body) we are talking about the same thing. I agree with what Ted says, even though his example is not the most typical scenario. I think the changing of accidental events are only done for highly evolve beings. It does not make sense to me that that is done for the majority of events. If it was, the VR would be interrupted too many times for too many events, and the uncertainty principle that Tom talks about wouldn't make too much sense then. This PMR VR is a very well designed system that in general is not "customized" too much. Imaging how efficient Microsoft would be if it would go to your house and customize your Internet Explorer and those of all the millions of users. It makes more sense to me to use the word interface instead of "customized" IMO. The only way to explore if we really have differences besides the choice of words is to go into the details, but without Tom here I don't think we can get too far on those details.

Can you describe Bette, how you think the reality is being customized for you? Or is it more that you customized yourself for the reality?

Claudio

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Well that time I jumped off the loft in a garage and was on my way to cracking my head open on the concrete floor (talk about open-minded), and the delta-t shifted or something and the PMR physics changed as something pushed me and changed my trajectory which allowed me to fall, uncracked, onto the couch. That sounds like one of those accidental things only a highly evolved bit of Consciousness could have happen, and that sure as hell can't be referring to me unless it is true; in that case then I must get busy customizing myself for that reality. Highly evolved Consciousness doesn't use the term "bit" just to poke at someone, so I's says you's wrong.
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Bette

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I want to add that from my experiences on doing this, I don't feel my PMR virtual self is always simply constant. I think it may get intermixed and/or reduced or expanded covering other memories and capabilities of the rest of the IUOC. From my experiences, Ted, this limit is neither simple nor a very defined division. I don't know if other people here that experienced these things agree with me. The focus changes also go with changes in what aspects of our IUOC get involved in the focus. It's like we use our hands to grab objects and also our legs when we need to walk. Everything seems connected. One thing though is that it is noticed that there is a master control (done by HS and/or CS) that preserves efficiency of who knows what and what performs what depending on the situations/experiences. I think if the being is more evolved the connections among the different aspects are less restricted, which might be more the case for Tom, as an example. This IMO and from my observations. My HS/CS let me know and restricts me from knowing certain things, regulating my evolution. If it's not convenient yet, it's better to wait.

Claudio

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I have an easier explanation. You were on the couch all the time. You were OBEing and you interpreted a falling into the couch. You were just reconnecting to your body as an interface to the PMR VR. Because I don't think your bit of Consciousness were measuring the delta-t's or detected the temporary change of the PMR Physics :)

Claudio

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Except you weren't there. Are you seriously doing this Claudio? You don't think, leave it at that. I don't know what's the matter with you, but please get off of me.

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