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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:57 am 
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Here is a series of video interviews containing one with Ron Pearson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPlspMN ... re=related

Around the 3 minute mark he summarizes how he believes consciousness and matter relate-very MBTish.

He has formulated mathmatical proofs for his theory which derives the rest of modern science as well as solving paradoxes like dark energy and the big bang.(Like so many others claim nowaday too,who to believe ? )The details can be read at his website and in his recent books (2010) which also answer to his critics. I'm not saying he's right here,it's not my place to;but his info is very much worth considering IMO.

Also it resonates with my personal OBE-LD experiences after performing many of these tests for myself-which I encourage you all to do too:
http://www.dreaminglucid.com/challenges.html

As for the evidence:He's raising money for the necessary physical experiments to take place-so his theories are scientific because they are testable and falsifiable.

As for his 'afterlife' claims: He cites sir William Crookes' experiments that allegedly took place under strict laboratory conditions. ( I haven't formed a solid opinion on this yet)


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Thanks for that link, Jeff. There are some remarkable points of contact between Pearson and Tom's MBT, aren't there, with some complementarity also. If they were to 'compare notes', both might benefit to some degree perhaps, though MBT of course makes the more radical, total, escape from PMR-centric concepts. Pearson's probably also there privately (mentally).

I read in one link while following the Pearson trail that he had been 'banned' by the SPR (Society for Psychical Research), the body set up in the 19th C to study scientifically paranormal phenomena. Quite extraordinary (but no surprise, eh).

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Do you mean provide evidence for a different conclusion Claudio. If Brandon messes up reality describing his Belief System to me, then that is Brandon's bad.

The detector field, how about the photon field, the field of the device popping out that photon, the field of the ETHER, OMG, I can't believe ether gets another go round. Any field probably has a field of its own, ever think of that? Fractal

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Arthur wrote:

I read in one link while following the Pearson trail that he had been 'banned' by the SPR (Society for Psychical Research), the body set up in the 19th C to study scientifically paranormal phenomena. Quite extraordinary (but no surprise, eh).

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I read that too Arthur. This really intrigued me because there is little doubt in my mind that the public narrative, on a wide range of issues ,has the 'acceptable' parameters of discussion set by those in positions of power.Close examination of these people and organizations usually reveals motives of finance and personal power/control. I'm not crying conspiracy neccessarily;but I do think an overarching 'good ol' boy network' has evolved within societies.(Just look at the WTO and central banking for examples)In today's age of communication I believe there are contrived messages at the global level.

I don't know about the SPR specifically,but I would not be surprised if this were to be the case with them as well. Our systems of finance and consumer "capitalism" depends on large scale ignorance and control. I have recently realized that belief in materialism can be as profitable,if not more so,than some organized religion. ( American mega churches and war politics, etc. )

Whoa...way off topic.... Sorry.


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bette wrote:
Do you mean provide evidence for a different conclusion Claudio. If Brandon messes up reality describing his Belief System to me, then that is Brandon's bad.

The detector field, how about the photon field, the field of the device popping out that photon, the field of the ETHER, OMG, I can't believe ether gets another go round. Any field probably has a field of its own, ever think of that? Fractal

Anyway, carry on.
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Bette,
Take a look closer. I understand your view about 'ether' ;but if you read his stuff he is basically proposing something very similar to Brian Whitworth's "grid". ( He actually calls it an "I-ther" )


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bette wrote:
Do you mean provide evidence for a different conclusion Claudio. If Brandon messes up reality describing his Belief System to me, then that is Brandon's bad.

The detector field, how about the photon field, the field of the device popping out that photon, the field of the ETHER, OMG, I can't believe ether gets another go round. Any field probably has a field of its own, ever think of that? Fractal

Anyway, carry on.
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Bette,
Take a look closer. I understand your view about 'ether' ;but if you read his stuff he is basically proposing something very similar to Brian Whitworth's "grid". ( He actually calls it an "I-ther" )
Oh, okay. I think I recall Einstein having an interest in eather, or whatever. Thank you.
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bette wrote:
Oh, okay. I think I recall Einstein having an interest in eather, or whatever. Thank you.
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I have a question, why do some of you suppose we're all separated from one another and have our own distinct characteristics, our own individuality, creativity, and thought? Please don't give me umbrella terms with this, try to be specific.

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BrandonHedberg wrote:
I have a question, why do some of you suppose we're all separated from one another and have our own distinct characteristics, our own individuality, creativity, and thought? Please don't give me umbrella terms with this, try to be specific.
In order to have the most potential for learning this seems a useful illusion, this separateness. Kind of boring the other way, too. In my opinion.
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bette wrote:
In order to have the most potential for learning this seems a useful illusion, this separateness. Kind of boring the other way, too. In my opinion.
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Can you please expand on this? I like what you are saying, but expand more if you can.

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In order to have the most potential for learning this seems a useful illusion, this separateness. Kind of boring the other way, too. In my opinion.
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Can you please expand on this? I like what you are saying, but expand more if you can.
Brandon can you please start a different thread for this conversation so that we won't stray off topic?

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bette wrote:
]Brandon can you please start a different thread for this conversation so that we won't stray off topic?

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We are on subject. It's a test of reality. Besides the main subject of this thread has already been settled.

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I have a question, why do some of you suppose we're all separated from one another and have our own distinct characteristics, our own individuality, creativity, and thought? Please don't give me umbrella terms with this, try to be specific.


I think I am separated from others because I don't act like Bette. The separation exists, if not real, virtual. I can join and separate aspects as I can integrate and distinguish them. I don't think others do this the same way I do :)

I think of me as an information system that evolved and keeps evolving. The characteristics I have at present are a result of that evolution and the present conditions that act as constraints.

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I have a question, why do some of you suppose we're all separated from one another and have our own distinct characteristics, our own individuality, creativity, and thought? Please don't give me umbrella terms with this, try to be specific.


I think I am separated from others because I don't act like Bette. The separation exists, if not real, virtual. I can join and separate aspects as I can integrate and distinguish them. I don't think others do this the same way I do :)

I think of me as an information system that evolved and keeps evolving. The characteristics I have at present are a result of that evolution and the present conditions that act as constraints.

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I like that. Though I want to think of the human population as a sort of field that interacts and affects one another, but not just the human population - the system as a whole. Consciousness (interaction and awareness; to know) as fundamental, like a rubber sheet contracting and stretching, like general relativity. Think of little particles of matter in water that you can see. You reach your hand into the water away from the particles and move your hand away from the particles. The particles then move in the direction your hand is moving, then gets affected by fluid dynamics. This is a good illustration of what I am thinking as far as interaction of physical and consciousness goes. What about creativity and thoughts? Where do you suppose these come from? What do you suppose is necessary to have creativity and thoughts? And why do they seem to be unique?

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I have asked Brandon to not talk to me, about me, or refer to me in any way unless he just cannot help the attraction he has for my thoughts. Please help this happen by not feeding into his obsession, thank you. He is harrasing me in pm. I have asked him to do things to himself in a way that hurts, in case he tries to use it against me, as is his types preference. Thank you.

Claudio the same applies to you as well, stop using me in your answers.

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