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 Post subject: Re: Adjustment Bureau
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:28 pm 
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kroeran wrote:
this shouldnt be an issue if we are focussed on love, rather than openness
this shouldn't be an issue if we are focussed on love, rather than judgingness
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 Post subject: Re: Adjustment Bureau
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the key idea here is that we lead with love and other-centeredness, not TOEist doctrine

so when people think of you, they think, wow, what nice person who listens to me and is always there offering help, rather than the crazy lady who is obsessed with that weird toe guy

maybe I misunderstood what you were describing

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So now "crazy" and "obsessed", whatever Randy.
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well, talk to anyone "normal" about big reality, and you will most surely be labelled as crazy

if you can't have a normal conversation with people without bringing up "your reality", you are obsessed, like bible thumpers who can't have a normal conversation with peppering it with Jesus and God and the Lord...its a phase

this is something I do all the time, and pretty much anyone who interacts with me has to put up with my crazy obsession...but I see this as ego on my part, and I try to move the conversation to the other person's obsessions, preoccupations - not very good at it

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I actually get quite the opposite response most of the time, but that is me. Besides normal is boring and average, not me.
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kroeran wrote:
I think all art and creativity is meaningless, unless is it NPMR sourced.

This is akin to saying "I won't eat anything that's ever lived."

Must everyone be in agreement for something to be true art? Either art is in the "eye of the beholder" or we're stuck endlessly defending our prejudices and judging others'.

A good exercise is to look at something - maybe a silly popvideo - and not judge. I think it's beneficial to regard every utterance from people as part of an exercise to grow, for both parts. Even provocations and insults.

Maybe a better question is, what can be learned?

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kroeran wrote:
I think all art and creativity is meaningless, unless is it NPMR sourced.

This is akin to saying "I won't eat anything that's ever lived."

Must everyone be in agreement for something to be true art? Either art is in the "eye of the beholder" or we're stuck endlessly defending our prejudices and judging others'.

A good exercise is to look at something - maybe a silly popvideo - and not judge. I think it's beneficial to regard every utterance from people as part of an exercise to grow, for both parts. Even provocations and insults.

Maybe a better question is, what can be learned?


Let me rephrase that

The data suggests to me that there are three types of art

The lowest form of so called art is shock art, the race to the bottom to explore every available void of ugliness, hate and depravity, and is sourced at the r-complex level

The second form of so called art is sourced in mind, the left hemisphere, and comes from the conscious level as craft

The third level of art comes from a source beyond mind, through the right hemisphere, and creating it is much more a process of getting out of the way, letting it happen, like channelling or automatic writing

And so true art is a heartbreaking glimpse of the bigger picture that we are are separated from, something much deeper than learning

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