First of all, I am not a physicist. I barely understood what they where talking about in school.
My interest in physics came only several years ago, and I do not know a whole lot about it.

In this documentary preview they talk about so called "free energy". I stumbled upon this documentary a few months ago, and this part of it keeps popping up in my mind. I know it seems a bit conspiracy-like, but I know there are some brilliant entities in this forum and I would love to hear what you have to say about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nvqWuGWSD4

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Hello, skorum, 'free energy' is one of the interests that got me eventually to MBT, with other interests. This thread is not about MBT so I won't say much.

One of my first sites to monitor online was http://keelynet.com/. It's sort of a news portal that can give you a heads up on developments that you can then search further for information. I started reading this site in '95, pretty regularly but only look in once in a while now.

I haven't watched but a few seconds of your link - enough to see Tesla's pic come up. I read all the Tesla books my library had in the '80's. It's what hooked me on the topic of energy in general and free energy specifically.

Take care.

sorry, i don't have a lot of time to watch that documentary but i'll favorite it for later


my thoughts on free energy are that i suspect there must be better alternatives to sustaining technologically advanced societies. I personally think something in the way of achieving something of that nature is in how we manufacture products. It seems like nearly everything is made from slave labor and minerals for electronics are plundered from countries, sometimes ethically and sometimes not. I think slave labor is a massive hinderance to resource consumption because it promotes the archaic western mindset behavior (extreme consumerism, basically)

Im not opposed to consuming goods and products and services, and especially not electronics. I think that slave labor is just one obstacle that needs to be overcome when the question of alternative energy comes up


Free energy, as i think of it, represents the ultimate goal of a being. I do not know if free energy should be considered technically impossible, i don't like to think so, but it's something that from reading Tom's trilogy i have to consider.




This is a question for other people who have read the books or have a good understanding of the mechanics of reality: Would free energy mean the end of a consciousness simulation/experiment [meaning nothing left to evolve towards]? or would it be like a new level of being and experiencing?

Currently, it seems the overall objective of physically surviving is in sustaining energy [food, shelter, money, etc...]

Even i can't imagine what a society would be like without everyone "needing to" work 9 to 5's. If free energy where possible, what would become the new "work"? Pursuing interests and mainting objects that need to be maintained?

It seems that the way modern society has been constructed is so that work = money and energy = work [energy being various forms like fuel, production, services, etc...] If this simplification isn't accurate it's because it's my observation and that i'm not an expert on the matter

This topic has been discussed a bit and one might find the search function helpful to find out.

My personal take on free energy is it's feasible but not likely to be found until the kindergartners grow up a bit. If it is found and marketed then it will mean to me just more kindergartners running with scissors and hurting themselves and others - so the more things change the more they stay the same.

I tried this, but the engine left out "free". I bet you can imagine the search results.
I guess there are other metaphors for this topic. I will see what I can find.

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Paint me a skeptic, but I have a hard time buying the free energy concept.

It seems to go against the very purpose of this PMR which is to encourage interaction. We need to eat and work to survive and this prevents us from isolating ourselves. The PMR ruleset (specifically, 2nd law of thermodynamics) just oozes higher entropy in our environment.

You get all the free energy you want in NPMR. Why'd you come here? (rhetorical question)

The fact that this PMR is tough on us is what helps us accelerate our learning. The point isn't to be comfortable.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'm open to it but I think it is very unlikely to happen anytime in the near future. I would think there would have to be significant shifts in our systems overall entropy level and adjustments to the ruleset for it to be possible and fruitful.

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It isn't so much "free energy" and then we stop interacting. I can't even see where that came from, that idea. The idea is using the energy we have better and possibly pulling energy from the Zero Point Energy field. Using energy generated by other means than fossil fuels is a fine goal for all of us and will require more quality interactions not fewer in my opinion.
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I don't disagree with using alternatives to fossil fuels (there are plenty of renewable sources of energy available today and yes it provides quality interaction). I'm not talking about that.

Maybe I don't understand "free energy" totally so please feel to correct me. My understanding is that it is linked to being able to create a perpetual motion machine, or to get more energy out of a system than you put into it. To get energy without a cost.

In general (as it is commonly accepted today), energy isn't "free" because there are always losses in the conversion of energy from one form to another. i.e. no machine is >= 100% efficiency. In yet other words, there's always a cost associated with converting energy.

The definition of the term is important here, because you might consider a solar panel to be free energy (I don't, based on what I said above). That doesn't mean I don't see the value in solar panels.

To me it seems like the cost associated with converting energy (which raises the entropy of our universe) is built into the rule-set to encourage interaction. We can't get energy out of nothing so it forces us to interact with the system (our universe, PMR) to convert what energy is out there and available into a (partially) usable form. That is purely my interpretation.

In PMR, a basic evolutionary pressure is survive and procreate. If we run out of energy, we die. Game over. If energy is free, then we don't have to worry about that for survival. We're not pressured to interact with the environment in that way. Less interaction is less feedback for our consciousness.

In NPMR, there isn't as much pressure on us to interact to stay "alive". We don't need food or shelter. PMRs were supposedly created to turn up the dial on our pressure to interact with each other.

It seems to me that the very nature of how energy works in PMR is tuned the way it is to provide more pressure on us to interact. We need food and shelter. That's a large part of what makes this reality a "high-intensity trainer". Throw free energy into the mix and it's much much easier to get food and shelter. That's my view, anyways.

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By "energy" do you mean "electricity"?
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Bette

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No. Electricity would be a subset of energy, but a common one to use as an example.

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I don't see why every movement I make can't be generating electricity.
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I apologize Bette, I don't understand your point. Could you please explain further? Are you implying that I said your movement doesnt create electricity?

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No not at all. I'm saying we believe certain things about energy that limit us. Generating the energy we need needs a redo in design.
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Thank you for your responses. You have interesting viewpoints of this.
I wonder though, if this technology is in fact possible, why it doesn't come to life.
As they say in the end of the preview, the oil industry is some peoples piggy bank.
The suggestion that the kindergartners aren't ready for this type of technology doesn't hold logically. I mean, nuclear technology for example has done a lot of damage, and still, we have and use this technology.
Also, isn't calling people in this PMR kindergartners ego speak for separating one from another, making one feel superior to rest of humanity?
And I can not see how free energy would make our learning in PMR less valuable. As the genetics and humanity in general continues to evolve, so should our technology. The purpose of PMR can not simply be to have as much suffering as possible to learn as much as possible. You can still learn without suffering.

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I would even go as far as saying that suffering can act as blocking our learning experience, depending on which evolutionary step one is in.

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