Yes, Tough Love. I can take it, its ok. Blunt is better for me.
TED: Have you ever considered that this constant quibbling and nit picking is simply an expression of fear and a way to avoid actually letting go fearlessly and experiencing yourself as a being within Consciousness Space?
OM: maybe, but I think I have accepted it, I would not be such a buzzing questionaire in your ear wanting to know more if that was not the case!
I am not trapped in a religious belief tomb. It is what it is, if Consciousness space wants me to know in the more conscious experiential fashion that I am asking for, its up to them/it/guides etc to let me know. Not like I am going to use any of it to hurt others. Ask them for me, let them know that I am driving you nuts. : )
Ted: Do you really have to experience an OOBE to understand and accept reality or is this just an ego obsession?
OM: Yes, to the First part of the question because otherwise I am just believing it, others, my intermittent experiences etc as opposed to knowing and confirming through experiential activity and objective results.
The second part of the question is not material since without the first part of the question being answered it doesn't really matter. But for me, I want to know, not to brag for Ego but to help, Just as Tom wanted to know so badly back in his day.
Maybe Bob did a dis-service in his books to a degree. He did this in OBE, did that, experienced in a Human manner for the most part. I know its difficult and he put it in the best data he could for us. But what most of us expect, is that, accept it or not. He was gallavanting around, floating, visiting, experiencing incredible things locale I II III until he finally allowed his total self to take control during OBE and starting moving in another direction. But he chose too.
Tom: ...Pick a model, any model.
Ted: (Tom's model)....should provide a basis for improving your Intent and self conception as you understand yourself as one among the spectrum of so vastly many, all with the same true purpose for existence and exact same nature. This should be a big neutralizer and reducer of ego as you realize that in this vast continuum of beings, your intelligence, 'specialness', material possessions here in PMR, race, religion and knowledge are all as nothing. You are simply an awareness within Consciousness Space.
OM: It has humbled me and it has made changes, reduced ego, Tom's model hasnt been the only one, I have been getting this from other sources as well.
This is the part that I feel I know to an extent even with my limited experiences in NPMR.
However, coming to the conclusion that this '" I " is either the fertilizer or the crap in Aum's interdimensional entropy reduction experiment is a moot point. (not much choice, you r one or the other)
Among others and especially us in this Forum who are actively engaged cannot really choose any longer. We are awakened and cannot go back, well, not in this life anyway. It will always be "A splinter in your Mind" because We know how to be. Doing anything less will bring disappointment to oneself.
Sometimes ignorance can be bliss but for this hombre it just won't do.
So I/we need -to do- and -be- to the best that I/we can be.
--- I will keep trying to grow up as a person and continue meditation and other exercises and we will see what develops along that path. What will be will be, feather in Aum's Wind.
OM: This does bring me back to another issue that we have discussed about what happens to this "me" after this PMR. And maybe this is the source or investment that TOM had asked for. I guess I want to know who I am, what I am, who I was previously and what I will become/merge to.
If this " I " doesn't really exist then when we die and review our gains/declines and prepare for our next adventure or not who is doing this planning/reviewing if the " I " we are now is put into the historical database. (is it the merged I?)
You guys refer to higher selves, virtual selves, oversouls making us separate IUOC's etc but then also refer to us not existing because we really are one consciousness experiencing itself in many fragments all on their way back to oneness.
Maybe Both can be correct at the same time.
Based on what I have got, correct me if I am wrong is that once this PMR life ends we are no longer constrained and the " I here " becomes merged with the " I There " (the conglomerate of experience packets of my IUOC ) and it understands, as I will be the It now, and will know what has been known in all these past lives, my mission and the reasons for this entire process.
So in that sense we don't lose this sense of " I " it just becomes a merging of sorts and yes this particular " I " is still there but just more.
I think My yearning for NPMR/OBE access is that I want to know my past lives, understand and experience the bigger picture beyond my current understanding. I want to grow and know. If I float on a roof top and say kewl in the meantime as I get acclimated earlier on, So? I can have an ice cream cone now and then can't I?