Tom,

You say that one should focus on their Ego and reduce their fear. You've said that Its more often that people will focus on trying to have an OBE rather than to focus on changing themselves at the being level because its easier.

However, One would need to reduce enough entropy in the first place to be present in the moment, be able to witness and be conscious of one's own actions, emotions, self importance, identifications, tensions and automaton behavior in order to start the process to level up.
So I am in this range. The work on oneself at this level becomes more difficult the more aware you become of yourself. To walk the walk when you are no longer that caveman but the caveman(or Ego) inside you doesn't want to cooperate so easily.

By meditating with the sole purpose to gain Psi ability and or NPMR access is like walking around the pond because people do get there. You may or may not have the proper intentions and still gain those abilities to a degree.

If I focus my efforts on reducing Ego and Fear in my daily life, working at it, changing the way my being interacts with my fellow IUOC's - this will make me a better person, happier person, lower entropy etc

But the want to access NPMR/OBE in a more conscious experiential fashion is coming from where then? I want to know undeniably, fully aware and experience that this is the truth not fragmented intermittent experiences.
To Taste it, touch it, feel it to be so. To Know and not just believe and jabber over previous unexplained encounters as well as hazy or foggy other experiences.

Is that Ego? if it is, then its beginning with the caveman in the front. What is one to do?
No one can reach enlightenment then because if you get there that which wanted it no longer exists to enjoy it?

OM

OM,

It has been said here (including by Tom) that experiences of OOBE and activity in NPMR is not really necessary to advancement, improvement of your quality of being and lowering of your entropy. It has been explained that your prior beliefs about such experiences are likely (actually certain) to inhibit your ability to experience them. It has also been explained that it is really not necessary to do anything except participate in your PMR VR life with good Intent, attention to your interactions with others, in order to participate automatically in the entropy reduction and quality of being improvement aspects that are built into the system and its reason for existing. It has been discussed that it is common for children, before they are acculturated, to experience these kinds of activities but they end after society tells them frequently and convincingly that they are not real. The true value of OOBEs and NPMR access to you is to show/prove to you that the greater Consciousness Reality exists, not in these actual experiences.

Put the above together and you have a clear explanation of how to go about experiencing OOBEs and NPMR access and activity with ease. Be open minded (without prior beliefs as for a child), without expectations or obsessions (trying too hard and trapped in beliefs) and realize that it is not a necessity to advancement. Be cool instead of so uptight about and demanding that this happen and how it happens. Consider all of the other aspects of this reality that point to the true nature of it as Consciousness Space such as NDEs, ADCs, shamanic practices, mysticism and the very antiquity of the concepts of reality arising from Mind. Do you really have to experience an OOBE to understand and accept reality or is this just an ego obsession?

Tom has given you a model of reality in MBT and another very short, but eloquent, alternate model recently here in these forums, so you should know that a model is only a model, not the reality. But understanding one of these models and seriously considering it's implications should provide a basis for understanding yourself and your relationship and nature within reality. This should provide a basis for improving your Intent and self conception as you understand yourself as one among the spectrum of so vastly many, all with the same true purpose for existence and exact same nature. This should be a big neutralizer and reducer of ego as you realize that in this vast continuum of beings, your intelligence, 'specialness', material possessions here in PMR, race, religion and knowledge are all as nothing. You are simply an awareness within Consciousness Space.

Quit obsessing about details of the nature of ego and how to reduce it. Do the above and your ego will reduce automatically. Quit obsessing about these things and quibbling about question after question. The pattern you are following is "well yes, I understand what you last said" BUT "what about his quibble" and then "what about that quibble". Have you ever considered that this constant quibbling and nit picking is simply an expression of fear and a way to avoid actually letting go fearlessly and experiencing yourself as a being within Consciousness Space? Letting go and permitting Ultimate Reality to show itself to you rather than demanding control (an expression of your ego) of how and what you experience. Consider yourself as existing only to serve the greater Union of all of Consciousness Space. Experience yourself as 'a feather on God's Breath'. Let go and be, exist, experience.

To quote you "No one can reach enlightenment then because if you get there that which wanted it no longer exists to enjoy it?" Consider that when you do reach enlightenment, you realize that there really is no such thing, there is only Ultimate Reality and realization of your place and existence within it. Enlightenment is just a word and as meaningless as any other. So there is neither any person left to enjoy it nor any such thing to be enjoyed.

Ted

Fear is what creates ego. Just look at your intent to see if there is an underlying fear, if not then your intent is an appropriate desire/motivation to learn and understand more of the larger system.

Kathy

OM,

Some excellent tough love from your uncle Ted -- and good advice from Kathy as well.

OM: You may or may not have the proper intentions and still gain those abilities to a degree.

Tom: That is true. It is a little like finding a side door that lets you sneak into the Library of Congress (thus giving you unearned access to almost everything ever published in English) and then only being able to "read" comic books (look at the pictures) because you are six years old and only have a first grade education. You also have a six year olds attitude and maturity level -- and thus little ability and interest in improving yourself to go beyond looking at the pictures in comic books. Your discovery of the side door is, at best, of little value beyond providing superficial amusements. At worst, it is wasting your time and distracting you from other more important things (like going to school) that you could be doing to develop your abilities.

A side note: Some of the people who sneak in the side door are given their unearned access because of complaining bitterly last experience packet about ". if I only had access. I could have learned and grown so much more ." Most will squander that access because, like the six year old, the quality of their being is not yet developed to the level where they can profit from the experience. If it had been, and if the experience of NPMR was deemed a useful stimulant to their personal growth, they would have had the experience. At the end of this packet, their complaint will be silenced with direct proof that leading with the intellect and ego is not profitable.
Develop your being and let whatever follows define your next step.


OM: But the want to access NPMR/OBE in a more conscious experiential fashion is coming from where then? I want to know undeniably, fully aware and experience that this is the truth not fragmented intermittent experiences.
To Taste it, touch it, feel it to be so.

Tom: Primary: Continuing focusing on growing up. Secondary: continue to develop your ability to explore the larger reality. Let the two mature together. If becoming adept at exploring the larger reality is on your path (an integral part of your personal growth process), then both the quality of your consciousness and your ability to be operational within the larger reality will blossom together. Make no demands, have no expectations, but do follow the path that your intuition guides you toward. Have confidence that what you need to know will unfold in front of you when you are ready to understand and have the need to know it. There may be much value in trying to understand what you are doing, where you want to go, how you might go about getting there, and how the view looks from the big picture - and very little value (sometimes negative value) in trying to tie down all the details and understand every nuance of the entire process from your current perspective. Generally, big picture education and understanding is a "just in time" process delivered only when you are ready to make good use of it.
Get the big picture, take one step at a time in the direction you feel compelled to go in, and forget about intellectually crunching the details - they will take care of themselves.


Tom C

It is an excellent explanation. I wish I would understand it four-five years ago.

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Yes, Tough Love. I can take it, its ok. Blunt is better for me.

TED: Have you ever considered that this constant quibbling and nit picking is simply an expression of fear and a way to avoid actually letting go fearlessly and experiencing yourself as a being within Consciousness Space?

OM: maybe, but I think I have accepted it, I would not be such a buzzing questionaire in your ear wanting to know more if that was not the case!
I am not trapped in a religious belief tomb. It is what it is, if Consciousness space wants me to know in the more conscious experiential fashion that I am asking for, its up to them/it/guides etc to let me know. Not like I am going to use any of it to hurt others. Ask them for me, let them know that I am driving you nuts. : )

Ted: Do you really have to experience an OOBE to understand and accept reality or is this just an ego obsession?

OM: Yes, to the First part of the question because otherwise I am just believing it, others, my intermittent experiences etc as opposed to knowing and confirming through experiential activity and objective results.
The second part of the question is not material since without the first part of the question being answered it doesn't really matter. But for me, I want to know, not to brag for Ego but to help, Just as Tom wanted to know so badly back in his day.


Maybe Bob did a dis-service in his books to a degree. He did this in OBE, did that, experienced in a Human manner for the most part. I know its difficult and he put it in the best data he could for us. But what most of us expect, is that, accept it or not. He was gallavanting around, floating, visiting, experiencing incredible things locale I II III until he finally allowed his total self to take control during OBE and starting moving in another direction. But he chose too.

Tom: ...Pick a model, any model.
Ted: (Tom's model)....should provide a basis for improving your Intent and self conception as you understand yourself as one among the spectrum of so vastly many, all with the same true purpose for existence and exact same nature. This should be a big neutralizer and reducer of ego as you realize that in this vast continuum of beings, your intelligence, 'specialness', material possessions here in PMR, race, religion and knowledge are all as nothing. You are simply an awareness within Consciousness Space.


OM: It has humbled me and it has made changes, reduced ego, Tom's model hasnt been the only one, I have been getting this from other sources as well.
This is the part that I feel I know to an extent even with my limited experiences in NPMR.
However, coming to the conclusion that this '" I " is either the fertilizer or the crap in Aum's interdimensional entropy reduction experiment is a moot point. (not much choice, you r one or the other)

Among others and especially us in this Forum who are actively engaged cannot really choose any longer. We are awakened and cannot go back, well, not in this life anyway. It will always be "A splinter in your Mind" because We know how to be. Doing anything less will bring disappointment to oneself.
Sometimes ignorance can be bliss but for this hombre it just won't do.

So I/we need -to do- and -be- to the best that I/we can be.
--- I will keep trying to grow up as a person and continue meditation and other exercises and we will see what develops along that path. What will be will be, feather in Aum's Wind.


Ted, Tom

OM: This does bring me back to another issue that we have discussed about what happens to this "me" after this PMR. And maybe this is the source or investment that TOM had asked for. I guess I want to know who I am, what I am, who I was previously and what I will become/merge to.
If this " I " doesn't really exist then when we die and review our gains/declines and prepare for our next adventure or not who is doing this planning/reviewing if the " I " we are now is put into the historical database. (is it the merged I?)

You guys refer to higher selves, virtual selves, oversouls making us separate IUOC's etc but then also refer to us not existing because we really are one consciousness experiencing itself in many fragments all on their way back to oneness.
Maybe Both can be correct at the same time.

Based on what I have got, correct me if I am wrong is that once this PMR life ends we are no longer constrained and the " I here " becomes merged with the " I There " (the conglomerate of experience packets of my IUOC ) and it understands, as I will be the It now, and will know what has been known in all these past lives, my mission and the reasons for this entire process.

So in that sense we don't lose this sense of " I " it just becomes a merging of sorts and yes this particular " I " is still there but just more.

I think My yearning for NPMR/OBE access is that I want to know my past lives, understand and experience the bigger picture beyond my current understanding. I want to grow and know. If I float on a roof top and say kewl in the meantime as I get acclimated earlier on, So? I can have an ice cream cone now and then can't I?

OM

OM,

Tom will probably come back and say this in a better way, but for now, the following.

We have had discussions about our higher selves and how our PMR and other virtual selves relate. We have also had discussions about how this might have developed, a model that might be a reasonable and logical approximation of how things really developed and all in MBT. And Tom recently gave us another model which is the source of your question. Tom warned at the time that he hesitated because he knew there would be resulting confusion. Let me try to review what is pertinent to your understanding, as best I understand what you are asking, without repeating a lot of stuff already said. Links later if you want them.

You are only yourself, one being, and any other descriptions of higher self and virtual PMR self, etc. are for purposes of discussion only. To make a model of actuality that makes some kind of sense in PMR language and perception. So there is the virtual you that hangs out full time in the NPMR VR and experiences things there. Really just you as your higher or total self for a part of the total cycle of reality cell cycles that are devoted to your receipt of the NPMR signal and your interaction within NPMR for a single 'NPMR time cycle'. You as your higher self with one hand tied behind your back, in PMR slang terms, or better described as you as your higher self/total self with the constraints of the rule set of NPMR in place and with your memories of what happens 'there' compartmentalized so they don't leak into the mind space of other virtual selves. Then there is the same set up of yourself as total/higher self with the constraints of the rule set of PMR in place and again with your memories compartmentalized from other virtual selves. This occurs occasionally while the NPMR experience is continuous. It is all you as your higher/total self that is making the decisions and experiencing the VR of the instant. So as has been discussed before, there is not really a reintegration at the end of this PMR experience packet/aka death. It has really all been you as your total/higher self all the time, just compartmentalized in your awareness and memories to prevent confusion.

I do not know/remember what your knowledge of computer programming is. But it is basically like time sharing a program, say a word processor, on a computer with multiple users. The users being your virtual selves. When user A is accessing the word processor code for a few computer cycles, the context that A is working in is used by the word processor code along with A's choices/free will decisions (keystrokes) to 'experience' or work in user A's project for these few cycles. Then user B gets a crack at the next time cycle and so forth. The context for A has to be kept separate from that of B so that the experiences/work of each is not confused and intermingled. This is a simplification and not even a perfect analogy, but you may get the picture.

Getting now to your other aspect of uncertainty as I understand you. In the model we have discussed from MBT, we have talked about how this consciousness system might have developed from an original state, somewhat analogous to the Big Bang of PMR science. We have talked about our IUOCs starting out from random data in the initial state. No one was there as a conscious being then and capable of noting how this really came about. But in this model, we describe the formation of individual automata from this original random data and then the development of the One Consciousness/The One from a further integration in some manner of all of the automata/IUOCs to be. It is a logical, descriptive model in PMR terms, but again no one was there in a position to take notes and write a book later. So we end up with The One Consciousness somehow bootstrapped out of nothing and all the IUOCs that were there to start with and somehow part of the bootstrapping process. There is no one yet again there in a position to 'see' the total reality, take notes and later write a book, except for Tom to come along much later, figure it all out and then write MBT. So for purposes of a logical PMR model, we look at it as described above. But we can also look at it on the basis of the model that Tom recently stated where 'we' as IUOCs don't really exist as consciousness but in aggregate are The One Consciousness. And The One Consciousness, for it's own good and valuable reasons, permits us all to share in the wonders of consciousness and endeavors to enhance our value by reducing our entropy by creating VRs for us to experience and interact in and giving us shots at the consciousness engine. So we are just looking at the same situation in slightly different ways, emphasizing the Consciousness System from the perspective of The One Consciousness or alternatively from the perspective of all the IUOCs.

It is just a matter of looking at the situation from top down or bottom up in PMR terms. We emphasize the view from above and look at The One Consciousness and we are all just cogs in the big machine/system, the view that Tom recently stated. There are beautiful aspects to this vision/model of reality but it does not give us a very high ego aspect. We emphasize the view from the bottom up and we see all of us IUOCs getting together for a few cycles out of a period of system cycles to become/function as The One Consciousness. This is a more utilitarian viewpoint and makes our existence from our point of view more prominent, more clear from the PMR viewpoint and gives us a little more 'ego space'. But as Tom pointed out, it is all One Unity. The One Consciousness is as much our servant as we are servants of The One. A unity of mutual service.

I hope that this helps with your quandary.

Ted

Noting Tom's comment here on "what you need to know will unfold in front of you when you are ready to understand"
brought to mind this quote below, another example of how writers, artists etc., are aware of drawing inspiration from the non-local, and how MBT is relevant to their world.


You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.
Franz Kafka




Donna

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Ted,

Even though you might choose to use a stick on us, I want to thank you as well as Tom for your efforts. This is no easy task undertaken to continue taking questions from so many with multiple topics and questions that are usually repeated in different ways over and over due to the difficulty to traverse the entire forum discussion board.

I have re-read a lot of these posts and previous discussions on these topics. Tom's warning of confusion is just that.
It's part of the journey. Where is the joy If you can't get confused now and then only to emerge with a clearer sense of things?
We are here to learn understand and experience.


So the question that JoshM and I were pounding way back: If everything I do gets written to the database and all my entropy reduction affects the whole, that's wonderful, but if my awareness isn't around anymore once my PMR time is up it seems pointless to the individual beings doing the actual entropy reduction.

OM: I guess when you have grown up enough the question itself will become pointless, it is no longer material. It's just an IUOC's Ego driven "what about me" statement. Jesus, Buddha, etc These IUOC's just let it all go. They were free from the chains of Ego. You got to let it all go.

OK, we are ourselves, one being. We are aware fragmented parts of constrained Consciousness in this PMR cycle partitioned off for certain purposes of experience. Well, some of us know "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" doesn't work anymore. The gig is up and it will become counter productive to keep the curtain up. Time to come out from behind the curtain Mr. Wizard.

This is probably why all these religions have been created. Maybe Knowing what we really are is no picnic and all the created mythology, the confusion and distortions surrounding it, gods, rituals, sects etc are our manifested VR-PMR drugs to cloud and/or avoid the true realization of ourselves. A state of denial?
You go to a University to graduate. Religion in its essence is supposed to make you become realized and graduate. Unfortunately most if not all Religions don't offer this nor how to.

The only one that can do that for you is apparently you with a little help from your friends along the way. You are your own Soul mate.

However, given realization of this model (pick a model) intellectually without the full conscious experiential activity to back it up leaves only part of this puzzle completed. There still is a thing called Proof to oneself.

Also, living a life to the fullest, enjoying all the pleasures of PMR existence while adhering to no ego, total humility, compassion and love for the world and all its inhabitants, accepting like a champion the luck of the draw, cause and effect, happenstance and any ill wills is a tall order indeed. One will need to work on oneself diligently, being present, in the moment, aware of your actions and interactions and grow up the best that one can.

So then a new question arises... how do you know what is the right thing to do and what is not?

Consciousness is Universal, its everything, but Conscience is not. One culture's morality is another cultures immorality. Yes, I can hear you now Ted bashing me already, saying something like this... "Hey Punk, suck it up... it's all relative based on how large your decision space is and given the current experience packet with the PMR life that we set up, Make do with it what you can." : )
However, growing up in an environment like a viscous terrorist training camp probably won't lead to any significant entropy reduction just the opposite......
If one was so inclined that would be a heck of a challenge, huh?. Maybe Bette would like to give that a try?
Do you get extra Points for degree of difficulty? Would someone choose such a set up? These types of environments exist, did they all choose it for entropy reduction or just an addiction to chaos and lost IUOC's?

Ok, now that I think that I understand the model and the model is not the reality, What is the reality?


OM

OM: Ok, now that I think that I understand the model and the model is not the reality, What is the reality?

Tom: The reality is that your reality can never be anything more than what you experience. Because your experience will always be limited, you are thus stuck with only a tentative model that best describes the potential facts of your personal experience. To keep this inherent uncertainty from raising your entropy, creating a distraction, or becoming a barrier, you must learn to accept uncertainty and live with it gracefully. That sounds easy at the intellectual level, but at the being level this uncertainty is the root cause of the frustration that is generated by you continually running into limitations that you cannot see and do not understand. With sufficient experience and due diligence, you will be able to connect more and more of the dots at both the intellectual and being levels -- thus discovering and reducing your limitations -- but not entirely eliminating them as long as you are you -- an IUOC (in any of your forms) differentiated from the whole. When you are one with The One, your limitations disappear along with you need to know or be anything more than you already are - you are reality - All That Is. With enough experimentation, experience, and due diligence, one day your model (Big TOE) will perhaps evolve to be able to fit (explain) all the considerable data you have managed to collect over the decades. At that point the string you are pushing on (limitations you are and are not aware of) may feel a little stiffer and more solid (less frustrating) because your personal experience and understanding give you the confidence that is necessary to accept uncertainty gracefully. Goals become irrelevant and disappear as the journey through now becomes more than enough to grow on.

Tom C

OM,

My apologies if you feel pounded with a stick. That was never the intent. I started this before Tom replied above and I still think it may be helpful to you.

OM: "So the question that JoshM and I were pounding way back: If everything I do gets written to the database and all my entropy reduction affects the whole, that's wonderful, but if my awareness isn't around anymore once my PMR time is up it seems pointless to the individual beings doing the actual entropy reduction."

Ted: You probably have no problem in accepting the idea that you do much of what you do here to feed your family, provide shelter for them and start your children off in their lives with an education and other help to start them off on good and productive lives that will continue after you are gone. You do not see this as pointless although you will not be around to see your children's future lives after you are gone and possibly your understanding that they are your children is an Illusion of PMR versus really being fellow IUOCs taking those roles. It is the accepted PMR viewpoint and few parents would not feel this way. Religion would tell you that much of what you do, presuming you do it based upon that religion's dogma, is to allow the eventual entry of your 'soul' into 'heaven', whatever that might mean. It is the accepted PMR viewpoint and few individuals would not feel this way, other than those who are non religious. The non-religious/non-spiritual I cannot speak to here as a too diverse group with too diverse attitudes, but I presume you are not/have not been among them. Otherwise you would not be here asking these questions. So your problem, as Tom seemed to foresee in trying to advance understanding based upon incremental steps versus stating things flat out, is that you don't like where this takes you. Somehow the idea that your higher/total self being the real you, the decision maker and real experiencer of this PMR life, but from behind the facade or ego that is you in your present consciousness, is not acceptable. It is not worth your while to go to all the trouble for this that you perceive as 'other' and that is not you as you experience yourself now.

If you would accept the first statements in my first paragraph, all the things you do for your family or your 'soul', as worthwhile, why cannot you extend these ideas to think in terms of doing what you do, thinking of it as entropy reduction, 'growing up' and improving the quality of your being, as being worth doing for your higher/total self when it is in fact really you but behind the present mask of yourself here in PMR? Why is it pointless if 'you' as your ego and specifics of your present personality will not be there as 'yourself' as you understand 'yourself' now but rather as the greater and more inclusive being that is all of what you are now plus all that you have ever been in all your other PMR excursions? Remember that one of the things that has been pointed out is that if this, your present persona, does a really good job of learning and entropy reduction, it is very likely to be reused in future experience packets. Also consider that you don't in fact know that this is not the case already. You may be here again in your present persona because of the really bang up job you did the last time. Have some confidence in yourself. You are not doing badly or you would not be here asking these questions.

You simply must understand that it is your ego and it's fears that is making this a problem for you. One of the very things that keeps getting explained as needing to be reduced in order to advance. But it is digging in it's heels and holding you back from embracing and internalizing these concepts. I think you have no problem seeing that ego in terms of personal appearance, possessions and social position in PMR is illusion. Now you need to understand to what extent the you as your persona, your personality and limited viewpoint consciousness, is also an Illusion of PMR. It comes to your virtual consciousness by way of TBC/the VRRE as your incoming data stream received by you as your higher/total self through the filter (the dark glass) of PMR. This includes your very conscious thoughts that can be varied in intensity, eliminated completely and even be invaded by other's voices in your head as schizophrenia. Does this put any perspective and a better appearance on this question of what is worthwhile?

OM: "Also, living a life to the fullest, enjoying all the pleasures of PMR existence while adhering to no ego, total humility, compassion and love for the world and all its inhabitants, accepting like a champion the luck of the draw, cause and effect, happenstance and any ill wills is a tall order indeed. One will need to work on oneself diligently, being present, in the moment, aware of your actions and interactions and grow up the best that one can."

Ted: You got that right and it is indeed a tall order. But go easy on the 'no ego' as it does not mean no personality or forcefulness of being, but rather no Illusory ego. The same goes for total humility which does not mean that you do not stand up for yourself or others against all of the evils that you list. This is where the fearlessness comes in. Being unafraid to do what is the right thing.

OM: "how do you know what is the right thing to do and what is not?"

Ted: That is where your Intent comes in. Your Intent is what tells you what is right but it is more likely to be an unexplained knowledge than a reasoned argument. You can think of it as your conscience but as I have said, I think of it as more. I think it is as Tom used the terminology of an inward and an outward pointing vector, both what you know yourself to be and your place in Consciousness Space and your understanding of what all other IUOC's are and their relationship to yourself and their place in Consciousness Space.

OM: "Do you get extra Points for degree of difficulty?"

Ted: Yes and no. The extra difficulty results in an enhanced opportunity for entropy reduction but the 'score' is only kept in terms of that entropy reduction, if achieved, not as 'points' (and I know that you did not mean this literally). Mere difficulty gets you nothing. It is the success despite the extra difficulty that reduces entropy more.

OM: "Ok, now that I think that I understand the model and the model is not the reality, What is the reality?"

Ted: All of the above and more. It is Tom's model in MBT and also the other really short one that he gave us recently in these forums. It is the view from the top down and from the bottom up. It is the model I tried to put in my own web site. It is the Elephant that all the blind men tried to describe in the traditional tale. It is the RWW/Indra's Net and all it's inhabitants. It is The One. It is the feeling of Union and of your existence as an integral part of it. It is the dew drop on a rose in the dawn. It is the child you hold in your arms and cherish. It is the child that dies of dehydration where it's dead mother has dropped it as she fell. It is the booted feet of the mindless army of aggression. It is the solemn spiritual ritual in a vast cathedral. It is the whale swimming in the depths. It is the fractal reality of consciousness that is beyond your or anyone's individual power of comprehension.

Does any of this help?

Ted

Everything is helpful Ted.


Ted: So your problem, as Tom seemed to foresee in trying to advance understanding based upon incremental steps versus stating things flat out, is that you don't like where this takes you. Somehow the idea that your higher/total self being the real you, the decision maker and real experiencer of this PMR life, but from behind the facade or ego that is you in your present consciousness, is not acceptable. It is not worth your while to go to all the trouble for this that you perceive as 'other' and that is not you as you experience yourself now.

OM: Well, in understanding that it is me constrained and at the core, I am the Wizard behind the curtain, It's ok. This specific persona is just one me. At the Core being I am more and many I's merged. This persona is my part to play here this time around, maybe I have played it many times. But again, its still me whether I was the Warrior in the 1100's, the cloud in system k0284j or me now. I am one and I am many.

One of my points was that the gig is up. We get it now. The veil/partitioning isn't as important since our understanding has reached a level that may call for the veil to be lifted some.
However, at times one can look at this and think. "This is all for Entropy reduction - to what end?"
We are ourselves, IUOC's and cogs in the wheel making up the whole. It can get a little cumbersome to think about.
No Scoreboard, no extra points for difficulty, whatever the case its just use it to reduce entropy and move toward love etc. No Rhyme no reason, now Mush. It can be construed as bullpucky in a PMR based assessment in a boardroom.

The Pointless comment was regarding the question Joshm and I proposed. The Question is filled with "what about me" But its not all about me. So what I meant was... when that is realized the original question becomes pointless and no longer material.

Yes, taking care of your family, being kind to your neighbor and doing what apparently is best for your soul to reduce your entropy is worthwhile to your own IUOC and to the whole.

SO now here I am. Working toward reducing my entropy as this Persona is constrained which is really myself as an ' IUOC being ' of many persona's which is me anyway on a higher level of awareness. It will all come out in the wash. I will be me one way or the other whether I am here constrained in PMR or there more aware as a conglomerate of me's in a cluster of light and awareness.

At some point, more conscious intent NPMR access might be needed to reach some of my goals given the need to experience it more fully and to know more from a bigger perspective. We shall see how things develop.

Thank you guys again for your unending dedication to the cause.

OM