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That was great. Thanks for posting. It's nice to see Tom getting so much exposure in diverse areas.

Tom,

Most of the things in the article sounded familiar of course, but one thing that caught my attention was your suggestion to work on strengthening the five basic pmr senses. Could you please elaborate a little more on that? Is the point to increase your awareness of incoming data in general to increase your awareness of "other" incoming data? Just curious.

Thanks,
Ramon

Hey Ramon:

Besides what Tom describes (control your 5 senses to then control other extra senses) I think that by practicing each of the 5 senses also you induce a subconscious awareness that then it is useful when in NPMR. Some websites that talk about lucid dreaming suggest "reality checks" in PMR. Then your subconscious remembers those reality checks while in NPMR.

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That was a good read. The only thing I would comment on is that psychotropic drugs have been here from the get (beginning), rather than a recent (250 years) happening.

I tend to cry when I read or hear Tom on these new pieces of him, I wonder what that is all about. Actually I had the same reaction to some things Seth/Jane said on the video Montana put on the board. Perhaps I'm a cry baby.
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Bette,

Tom is commenting on the fact that during the past 250 years or so of the Industrial Age, psychotropic drugs were not fundamental to the development of society and the world view. Now, as what we might perhaps call the Information Age, psychotropic drugs, as well as the other things mentioned, are more fundamental to the development of society and our world view. Not that they are new, just more generally significant and fundamental to development.

Ted

That makes sense, thank you Ted, as always.
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Raymon,

Take that 5-senses thing to mean the same as living in the present moment. Practicing being fully aware in the present physical moment/interaction rather than wandering through life as a zombie -- going through the motions of living one's life in a fog of self focused necessity and entertainment -- an existence mostly focused on the future and past and on escaping an unsatisfying reality by dumping our awareness into a TV, a movie theater, football game, or drugs like caffeine, sugar, nicotine , alcohol, pot, and all the other junk we find along the escape route to ease the pain of our failure to "get it" and "feel good" instead. One must wake up enough to experience themselves as a unit of consciousness experiencing a physical reality ( 5 senses) before they can wake up enough to escape that reality into a greater awareness instead of into a greater oblivion.

The virtual physical reality is our school room -- we should be paying attention to it. It is through that attention and focus (learning and growing through aware intents and choices in PMR) that we find our way beyond the physical.

Tom C

Thank you Tom. That was a good expansion.

Tom: "The virtual physical reality is our school room -- we should be paying attention to it. It is through that attention and focus (learning and growing through aware intents and choices in PMR) that we find our way beyond the physical."


That's a useful thought and one that MBT helped bring my attention to, even on the first reading. After years of trying mostly to get out of PMR (occasionally, at least) MBT reminded me that I am here for a reason. Better make the most of it. I still am working on getting out more though. : )

Ramon

Tom,

More of your statements lately seem to be moving towards awareness, of the body, being in the moment etc and less toward endless explanations of questions (I am sure we are all thankful for those answers) but at some point an IUOC needs to lessen the nonstop mentation of these ideas that appear to engulf seekers in intellectual loop traps that could prevent understanding at the being level.

I made the post about the body regarding Watchthesun's thread that seemed to relate to this.
Many mystery schools have the body as a focal point toward evolution and enlightenment. They come back to the body as a root for spiritual growth. The fact that our bodies are Virtual or that we don't really have bodies as Ted would say might detract people from utilizing their PMR bodies as a signpost and/or a necessary tool to develop organs of perception within the body that we are not currently aware of, which can lead to higher development and perceptions as well as releasing pain and suffering within the body. Maybe this is an activity/treatment that watchthesun has not tried.

OM

OM,

I believe that you are misinterpreting what Tom said in this post and putting the emphasis on something else than Tom did. You are certainly misinterpreting what I say in that I would not say that we have no body, but that we have a virtual body in this virtual reality of PMR. There is a big difference.

My interpretation is that Tom is saying what I have said in other words. That the purpose of this VR experience is the intensity of interactions that it encourages and the resulting potential for growth of quality of consciousness and reduction of entropy thereby. As I have emphasized for the benefit of those who feel a lack from not being able to go zooming around in OOBEs and popping in and out of NPMR, that this interaction is the purpose of our PMR experience and that the system works very well just by virtue of our participation. That is by mindful and real participation and not simply saying that it is only virtual or loosing ourselves in mindless entertainment. That we should not neglect this or think of it as secondary to our understanding of the system as Tom describes it. Fine to learn the things in MBT and it is something missing from our culture and all of world society, but in Tom's words from the post in question "The virtual physical reality is our school room -- we should be paying attention to it. It is through that attention and focus (learning and growing through aware intents and choices in PMR) that we find our way beyond the physical."

If you put aside your interests in mystery schools and their teachings, I think that you can see this for yourself. Our 'physical bodies' are the method by which we participate in this VR. Many disciplines in world society have developed the body and what one can do with it in amazing ways. I think that you will find however that all of these disciplines are focused upon the mind as the basis for these bodily developments rather than the body in and of itself. Even martial arts, with their strong emphasis on the physical, hold the mind at the center and source of being able to perform the physical marvels.

Ted

Ted,

My point was to try and create a dialogue on energies within the body that can become blocked and impair the healing process. This is in the context of attempting to understand Watchthesun's condition. But I do understand what you are saying.


OM: I know the body is virtual but it appears in PMR to be a major feedback factor in our growth process here.
Without the release through the body of these stresses, pressures, blocked energy, trapped emotions, grief, fear etc this will stymie or halt your progress and/or cause or maintain a state of dis-ease?

Must these energy forces be addressed with and within the body or can all be reached and reconciled through finely tuned meditation and focused intent?

So I surmise that your answer to this question is... Yes?

IE Because someone who has through life developed a stiff and inflexible body, can be directly related to their previous views, actions, beliefs, emotional states etc that have now been crystallized within their body. No amount of meditation alone is going to help?. One would need to engage in some form of movements, stretching, physical touch etc and attempt to open these channels of energy combined with meditation and focused intent.


OM

OM,

You can attempt to help problems from both directions. You don't have to just meditate or just do physical things. I myself have what is called ankylosing spondylitis where bone spurs grow on your spine and make your spine inflexible and can eventually lock you up totally. I don't believe that it is because of any rigid set of beliefs, etc. of mine. My understanding and beliefs have been constantly changing as I obtain more data all of my life. I first arrested this by taking a preparation based upon cow's colostrum that is supposed to selectively activate your immune system, either turning it on to resolve a problem, which I have experienced, or turning it down to slow or halt the advance of this stiffening which is an auto immune response. Trying purely physical approaches to this is known to be counter productive.

Some help that I was getting from others on these forums did seem to help a little also. Not my meditation, but someone elses. I will probably not have further success with this except as I intervene myself, but not physically. The physical aspects will follow as I am able.

Ted

Ted

Not familiar with that type of condition, I was just speculating on reasons for dis-ease. It is not an easy task to grasp the reasons behind individual conditions. I am glad that you have had some progress in your case.
We basically agree and it makes sense that work from both sides is probably the best approach, generally speaking.

OM

I understand what you are saying OM, and I agree that to stretch ones mind is as important as to stretch the physical body that could use some of that. One difference is that when the mnd stretches against something blocking it, when the block is released there is no detritus. The physical body, while virtual of course, does have some detritus which may be dislodged. Do you think this matters?

This also seems in tune with a common thought of knowing this is virtual doesn't make it any easier.
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Hi Bette

The material that would be dislodged from these blocked channels would be the success of opening the proper flow of energy. The continued work in that arena would begin to dissipate and dissolve any unnecessary material.

Better to have 'it' engaged in a dislodged and dissipating interactive state rather than a stagnant form further blocking your stream of life force down to a slow trickle?

Thank you for the new word. Detritus. I like it.

OM