I have noo idea of the authenticity of these channelings.. but I like listening to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZUcIrmMlq8&NR=1

-k

Authentic in that they are coming from "somewhere" within Consciousness, and probably a non-physical (in PMR terms) Being of some degree. Less so in that they seem to be clouded over heavily by belief systems and preconceived notions.

Thanks for sharing! :)

Cole

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Nicely put :)

"probably non-physical being of some degree." ..ai, that`s vague
"clouded over heavily by belief systems and preconceived notions." you mean the channelers immediate interpretations..? (i don`t know how that works. for sure)

Thanks for responding. I`ve read a lot of your posts, love the Seth stuff and the soulfamily stuff. and the fisy(?)-stuff, are you still channeling? wishing for some update-stuff on that

-k

Koliver,

Just sent you a PM on the Fisy stuff- but what I wanted to respond to here was:



I guess what I meant (about the non-physical being) was that the information is probably coming from a specific, intentional source rather than what you might call a "blind database." Yet, in a reality where consciousness is fundamental- the line is very fine (almost arbitrary) indeed. So yes, my statement was definitely vague. :)



My understanding is that when an entity is being channeled- what you get in the sessions is not "100%" of what that entity is in its own context. You are getting a "filtered" version of the entity and what could be called a "bridge personality." The very nature of the PSI Uncertainty Principle demands that it be this way. PMR, at least in the context in which we understand it- is not "made" to support that being any longer. It has effectively "moved past" the data stream that defines PMR into a more general, less restricted environment, where its perspective is vastly different than what we can imagine while physically oriented. It is aware of or (perhaps better put)- in "remembrance" of its place in the whole to a greater degree than we PMR residents are.

The entity being channeled does not communicate in "words" as we understand them. It is more like "thought impulses" or "data packets" which then have to be interpreted at the (so-called) "subconscious" level using the vocabulary base of the channel. Now, there are obviously exceptions to this, but in general- the less encumbered one is by beliefs, preconceived notions, unrealistic expectations etc. the less distorted is the data being received. Make sense?

:) Again, thanks for the interest in the Fisy stuff.

-Cole

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I think I must be getting it if I can say it sounds like you are getting it Cole.
Love
Bette

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Thank you, Cole :)

In spiritual terms, the channeling is comming from yourself. Your Higher Self.

I ran accross this guy a few days ago, seems to me that with an intent in mind he simply lets his consciouness flow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voS4VGDZ-YA

Sometimes, even just having a conversation with people about spirituality, I go into a form of channeling state. It as though you have no specific message in mind, rehearsed or otherwise, but the words flow to express a general intent appriate to context. Sometimes, the words that come out of my mouth even suprise myself. At jesus told his deciples, "dont worry about what you will say, in will be given to you in that hour what to say, for it is the Spirit of God that speaks through you".

Hi jack,
Many times I don't know what I am talking about until I say or write it, and sometimes even after that. I read things here I wrote that make me think "where did that come from" and then I remember again, the database. It still has to be interpreted though, right?

I love talking with people about consciousness as a nonphysical digital information system in such a way as to experience the connection I feel with them whether they can grasp the implications or not (the VR aspect). It's pretty much my favorite thing to do, ever.
Love
Bette

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Jack,

I have posted here before in this vein. I have made reference to Suzanne Segal, Ph. D., who published her personal experiences as Collision With The Infinite. She experienced a sudden transition in which she lost track of all of her own internal thought processes and sense of self. She experienced a field of view from a foot or so behind and to the left of her own body, as opposed to the usual perception that you are seeing out of your eyes in the front of your head. She lost her internal perception of herself and her thoughts so strongly that she found it to be very frightening. But at the same time, she continued to act out all of the aspects of her life. She did things and she said things without a prior conscious decision to do so. Everyone does this to some extent, as in driving on the interstate on auto pilot, arriving at your destination or your off ramp and suddenly realizing that you do not remember the trip, yet you have obviously made it. It in a sense is the goal of martial arts practices; that you become able to react without conscious thought to the actions of an opponent. But this was much more extreme. I know someone who intermittently experiences the same seeing from behind her own body. Personally, I have never had any visual anomalies, but I suddenly lost my internal dialogue and as I have referred to it, words would fall out of my mouth. I did not find it scary as I had thought of this and tried to reduce or stop the internal chatter deliberately over some time prior to this. This was a surprise however in it's abruptness. It has now come back in a sense but much reduced and easily turned off.

This is in my understanding a function of the VRRE as I have discussed in that it not only provides our experience of PMR, but also provides our experience of our own internal decisions and thoughts. It determines whether you have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and obsessively think over things or whether you are normal or just to what degree you experience your own internal thought processes. It is not creating this internal experience, but rather determining just how much of the internal chatter, the details or your internal thoughts and decision processes, gets through to your conscious perception. Thus you can speak extemporaneously on the subjects you mention and "Sometimes, the words that come out of my mouth even su[r]prise myself". I have mentioned that many times I will read a post on this board and feel no 'need' to respond to it. After sleeping however, I will awake with the thought in mind that I know how to respond, perhaps a key thought, and find that I now do know what to say, even if it is not consciously in my mind until I start typing it out. This is the same phenomena that you describe. Tom has mentioned this in the sense that referring to guides and guidance is a sort of metaphor as opposed to strict literal truth as in a specific being that acts as your guide. Sometimes this cannot be pinned down in this way and you are receiving information from the Consciousness System or perhaps from within your IUOC itself, but not as is accessible to you normally in your PMR virtual self. I take this as a significant indicator of the truth of the concept of the VRRE and it's functions. Otherwise, how could these sudden changes occur.

Ted

Jack,

In the largest of terms, everything is Self because nothing and no one can ever be separate from the rest of all that is. In those terms, the channeling is coming from "ourselves." In more mundane terms and at the practical level- channeling can and does take place between PMR residents and beings no less "specific" than Ted or Tom. We are infact communicating with an entity just as "specific" as Tom, Ted, Dick or Charlie. We are not talking with a "separate" being. Guides are metaphores because "guide" is the closest word we have that approximates the role that that being is taking in our existence. Guides are metaphores because, again, "guide" only describes one very small, "partitioned off" aspect of the beings with whom we (as in all VR residents) are in contact. There is, in MBT terms a "difference" between communications coming from one's "own entity" and other beings from "elsewhere" within Consciousness space. The difference is not fundamental, because as has been noted: all is connected and interdependent- but the beings being channeled can be as "specific" in nature as any other individual with whom you may communicate any where within consciousness.

-Cole

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