I've been doing a little informal experimenting with the brainwave generator.

The whole business just might run a lot deeper than I would have guessed.

If anyone knows where there is some hard science on this, I would much appreciate a link.

I'm especially interested in replicable studies that give the hard data: frequencies, volumes, other modulations (tremelo, background noise etc.) for each ear, and BFO values, time periods, associated changes in perception or consciousness, after-effects etc.

Thanks in advance,
Montana

I am interesting in the same thing.

I was actual about to make an experiment here on the board with binaural beat, to get some data when I have none.

Did you try wiki there are some good links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_b ... rnal_links

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Yes, I am (Thanks!) combing through what's on the web, chunk by chunk, though I haven't seen too much, other than broad groups of frequency -related definitions (Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, Gamma). There ARE some interesting claims and loose facts out there and I have yet to marshall them all.

But here, for instance, with the "brainwave generator" (anyone can google that up and down load it for free... it is share-ware with an available pay-ware upgrade) I configure a BFO to go gradually from 20 to zero. As I listen and 'feel' the sound, I can see exactly at what Hertz the thing is cooking at. And what I observe is that the feel of each BFO is somewhat distinct, that some have a much stronger 'feel' than others, and that their relative placement in the number-scale, or spectrum, if you like, seems greatly, or even entirely, independent of the 'feel' that they produce. For just one example, 19.5 hz. BFO has a substance to it that is not present at either 19.3, nor 19.7. Similar, though different, experiential anomalies occur at other particular frequencies. Some of these may be artifacts of anything in the structure of the sound production/perception system (for examples, a certain chunk of transistor may 'ring' at certain frequencies, earphones may do the same at others, ears, ear canals, yada yada...).

For those interested in following, it is not hard to set it up so that over ten minutes time the BFO goes from 50 to zero. For me the effect as I listen is like descending though levels of varyingly dense atmosphere, which are not at all successive in their concentrations. (Sorry, it is hard to describe... I know there is a better metaphor for the experience but it has yet to surface.... something like the different colors one sees on a spinning top as it gradually slows.... but then who knows what a spinning top is these days? Much less having experienced the thing?) An odd after effect is, that when I stop listening to the BFO experiments, and pull off the head phones, for a time, generally a few seconds, all regular sound has a very difficult to describe quality.... it is as if each independent sound occurs individually inside its own mecurical sphere, like a bubble, and it then has an almost xylophonic 'aura'. Gah. I KNOW that sounds weird, but it is not easy to describe.

Anyway, it seems like an interesting thing to explore.

-Montana

Sort of like they were discrete maybe? When the "bubble" popped did they take on a less discrete "ness" (property)?
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Bette

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It just fades, as though an effect might fade when turning back the reverb dial on an amplifier.

-Montana

I have listened to many different binaural beats, and one thing is for sure. They frequencies are changing gradually.

I see them as two phases.

1. The preparation for the upcoming effect that is to be generated by a specific binaural beat. This phase is used to smooth the ride out, to make one relaxed. This approach is more optimal than a straight specific binaural beat for one purpose.

2. In this phase the intended binaural beat is played for the intended effect and purpose. The preparation has made this phase more productive.

My binaural beat track I am considering has the purpose of consciousness exploration. To reach point consciousness state and/or go OBE.

Apparently a 3.87 is the most productive frequency for this, as Tom said so in a recent interview. I know this frequency is to be used in phase 2. The unknown variable is the base frequency, Tom mentioned male and female preferred different ranges. I am though unsure of whether the free binaural beat software allow one to change the base frequency.

I have looked through the sources in the wiki link, the problem is that they are all either medical related, or some other application that is not something directly related with consciousness exploration.

I know that the phase 1 frequency has to be in the alpha range, but I am not completely sure what would be the best. The alpha frequencies are used to relaxation, which is needed.

There are several ways to make phase 1 to phase 2

1) A gradual decent from 12-13 Hz to 3.87 Hz in 10 to 15 minutes. And then 3.87 Hz for 20 minutes.
2) A gradual decent from 12-13 Hz to 7 Hz in in 10 minutes; 3 minutes hold at 7 Hz. 2 minutes decent to 3.87. 15-20 minutes 3.87 Hz
3) 10 minutes at the most productive relaxing alpha frequency (not yet known). 20 minutes of 3.87 Hz
4) 10 minutes at the most productive relaxing alpha frequency. 5 minutes theta. 15-20 minutes of 3.87 Hz.

Or any other combination.

Just read this from the wiki article: "The brain entraining is more effective if the entraining frequency is close to the user's starting dominant frequency. Therefore, it is suggested to start with a frequency near to one's current dominant frequency (likely to be about 20 Hz or less for a waking person), and then slowly decreasing it towards the desired frequency."

I'll be back!

Thanks SS!~

3.87. That is something that I can use! Part of the plan will be to identify "high value" frequencies, see how they operate individually and together and so on... Some of this has already been done, I'm sure, and I am thinking that there must be more data out there.

-Montana

Try to test it with background noise.

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Good Idea,

There are lots of things to try, variable to vary, etc. Right now, on the possibility that I might want to do something a little more formal research-wise, Gathering up what data is already there and surveying that seems in order.

After that it is a choice of methodically selecting experimental design and collecting data the old frumpy-sciencey way (for which method there is a lot to be said, of course) or alternatively just trying to identify the most potent Frequencies ad-hoc, and smushing them all together in hopes of being transported into some sort of super-conscious exo-space (I'm being a little facetious there, but it captures the essence of the thought.)

Thoughts about experimental designs welcome,

-Montana

BFO is .... what ... base frequency oscillation ?

I didn't know either, but just looked it up. It's "Beat Frequency Oscillator".

SS, yeah that's what I got when I looked it up last week.

Guess my 'base' guess was me slipping back into the past ... Thanks for the in-the-present update !

hey everyone..

I do know a few things about these issues, and I am very interested in anything that anyone can and is willing to share.

The best ones I've used are quantum mind power (dot com i believe), mind sync / meditation power & hemi sync.


So here's what I know.

First of all, people have started using many different beats. Aside from binaural beats, some popular ones are Isochronic tones & monaural tones.
Both isochronic and monaural are mono based ( same content to both ears) meaning, you can use this without headphones. Also they are said to be more effective than binaurals when you're entraining to high theta and above (6-7 Hz or higher) . Binaurals are supposedly more effective for low frequencies, such as mid theta and below (5-6 Hz or lower).

Now, mind sync / meditation power, as you can go and see , are both sites that offer lots of different entrainment products , each targeting a different 'state'.

So they have a recording for 'Astral Projection', they have one for 'Clairvoyance', all sorts of meditations and more.. you can go and see.

Here's the interesting part. They sell this ebook on their site, it'll probably take some time to find because of the mess they have going on there, it's called secrets of brainwave harmonics.
And in it they share the frequencies they've used for most of their recordings. I've also gone ahead and questioned the site manager about the other recordings..

What they've started doing ( in mind sync and meditation power) is create 'entrainment chords', meaning, instead of getting entrained to 7 Hz. You'll get entrained to 12 Hz + 7 Hz ( this, by the way, is the specific combination they use for the Astral Projection recording.

Their recordings usually start in the mid beta range, usually 18 or 20 Hz, going down (aside for the energizer and maybe a few more recordings) to the first entrainment frequency (usually 12 Hz - why ? They say that 12 Hz was found to have a very soothing, relaxing effect on the body, in such a way that it would dramatically relax upon entrainment to this frequency. They described it as similar to the effect that a hot sauna has on the body, and they also added that this frequency gave them a great demonstration as to how the mind can influence the body.) and then, the second frequency (if there is one) would be added and increased in amplitude.

the sweep (going from 20 to 12 for example) would usually last 8 or 10 minutes. and the increase in amplitude of the second frequency (for example, 7Hz) would take place over the next 12 or 10 minute until the track (20 minutes) is finished.

8 Hz is the frequency they've used in their 'Instant Meditation' (or meditation power's alternative - 'Deep Meditation' ) , which is one of their best tracks and is described in this way by most of the people that I know who've had any experience with brainwave entrainment. This track is designed to silence your mind. by the way, I've heard in a video where someone who is practicing TM is being monitored using EEG that Alpha activity is going on, particularly around the 8 Hz mark.. (probably where they got their idea.. ^^)

Clairvoyance happens on the mid-high theta range (6-7 Hz)
Telepathy targets Schumans Resonance (7.83Hz) with 12Hz I think...

And I would refrain from saying more, since I've probably already broken a few laws..

Hemi sync , as was written in some document that I've found over the internet (can't vouch for its authenticity) , uses generally lower frequencies, most in the delta range (0-4 Hz)



hope this helps

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edit:

3.87 for consciousness exploration - Can anyone post a link to where he got this information ? It is schumans resonance, right ? (interesting..)

Great post relV!!



I got the information from Thomas Campbell :)
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I am going to make a presentation in my psychology class. It will be about meditation, I thought that it would be a great idea to introduce the listeners to the experience of meditation. A binaural beat track would help them achieve a better state in the meditation.

What frequencies should I use, and what kind of meditation do you think could make the biggest impression of meditation?

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Edit: See this thread http://mortalmist.com/forum/index.php/t ... l#msg76313
There are some knowledgeable guys there too :)