Sorry bette but when people talk about how they're "better" at understanding the reality of which we are all apart (because that's what he said- he didn't say "the model of MBT" in the quote I posted) it comes off (to me and potential MBT readers) as a tad arrogant since we can never really be sure of another's "understanding"- or whether or not our understanding is really more comprehensive/accurate.

It's especially troubling (to me and potential readers of MBT) when someone as seemingly egoless as Tom Campbell is represented by a spirit/position of elementary-grade ego/competitiveness. If you think it's productive for someone with knowledge to say they have a "better understanding" of reality than someone else based on posts on an internet forum- then you're certainly entitled to your opinion... I would disagree. I think it's productive to, as Will pointed out- level with people and speak to them from the position that they ARE you. It isn't just some "theoretical" statement to say that all is one. So much is implied in those words that we take for granted. NO ONE has a "better" understanding of reality than anyone else because 'better' automatically implies superiority. No. What you have is a larger perspective of reality or a narrow tunnel vision of reality (with much variation in between). The larger the perspective- the more inclusive/connected/holistic/whole we become in our approach to communicating with and attempting to serve/teach (learn from) others... The more narrow our perspective- the more we are prone to harshness/inconsideration of others' feelings/argumentation etc.

One thing we can both agree on I guess- is to disagree about this kind of a thing, and that's ok! Maybe some people find that communication and the teach/learn process is better conducted with all out bluntness, but it doesn't work for me personally. Tom Campbell is a very, very good model for an excellent teacher. He is straightforward, while being warm and considerate of the feelings' of others at the same time. He may not find peoples' emotional responses "logical" or "rational" but he acknowledges them and is respectful of their reality. That method certainly reaches out to almost anyone because almost no one could be turned off or offended by it... There is no trace of ego in that method because there is clearly great love... And isn't that what this is all about?

(And the hero thing wasn't meant to be taken too literally. Ted is a "hero" in the same sense that anyone who works to spread truth is a hero. I don't mean that Ted is some holy guru or "god." A "hero" (though I don't really like the term in general) is, in my book- someone who recognizes and acts from the position that they are not separate from others- someone that can level with people on the basis of Oneness for the greater good it will accomplish without letting ego come in the way of it. That criteria doesn't necessarily apply to gurus or gods.)

with love,

-cole

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I think this topic is interesting. It is bad that got deviated to things outside the topic. I think we could make this board better if we return to driving straight ASAP, instead of doing slaloms.

Bette. MBT is not just Tom and Ted. There are beings out there that know a lot. MBT is not an exclusive membership group.

Anybody that is seriously willing to explore mental visualizations can contact me privately. I'd like to try a mental visualization session with somebody else (using a phone connection and a bluetooth handset) and hopefully we may create some telepathic connection. It's good to try.

Claudio

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I understand autism (at least as my son has manifested it) better than you Cole, no offense intended. I am an expert as far as my son goes, Ted is an expert in MBT as a model, he's better at it than you, he is better at understanding the MBT model than most anyone other than Tom. If that bothers you it is your ego having issues Cole, in my opinion. My comments were specifically on Ted's understanding of the reality cells as put forth in the MBT model.
Love
Bette

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That was a good post hermano Cole!

I would like Ted to prove he understands MBT by apologizing here. Whoever really understands MBT understands what apologizing means.

Claudio

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Bette: This is just your belief. If Ted can say he analyzed a reality cell in front of him in NPMR I may agree with you. Let's learn to be humble. We are all learning, even Tom, even AUM.

Claudio

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I concur, it is an Information System, as such is open to misinformation, as all information systems are. Ted has the testicles to give definitive answers, and it appears he accepts the responsibility of the backlash for being so inclined. As the MBT model expands, Ted and Tom will be the "goto" dudes at knowing the facts so the newness can be recognized. Paradigms, if that is what MBT is shifting right now, can include or conclude models that come before it, but having experts on the model will help future information be understood more "completely" if you will. MBT is a really good model, until something "gooder" comes along my efforts will be in seeing how new "stuff" fits it or doesn't. Then if something seems really useful, but doesn't fit (if that happens as it hasn't yet), THEN I will be all over it to see "why", is it bigger, or is it logically explained with the knowledge MBT open-minded skepticism allows. That's just one of my methods at discovery though, your and everyone's may vary.
Love
Bette

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You requiring Ted apologizing is YOUR ego Claudio. I thought you smoothed out from your vacation....I've been wrong before, and my ego is involved too, of course, but yours is bigger. ;] You who need it may have the last word, I'm out of this thread. *poof*
Love
Bette

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If you analyze this with OMS you will recognize it as just a limiting belief.

Claudio

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Just found a great couple of paragraphs from page 117 of book 2 of MBT that I thought I should post here for all of the wisdom they contain (and their relevance to all of us):



If anyone tends to skip over long posts- at least go over the last (quoted) paragraph a couple of times... very useful and true.

-cole

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Don't get upset Bette. You don't need an EGO to detect that Ted doesn't apologize very often. Actually I don't know if I've ever seen that in public. But don't get me wrong. I consider Ted a great soul. I love him and he always sends me private messages. He cares about me and I am sure about other people. I love him and I know he has room for improvement and apologizing in public is one of them. Loving includes helping others evolve.

Peace, people are dying in Haiti as we speak. Did anybody capture my offer in a previous post? Let's lower the entropy of this thread.

Claudio

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bette,

You're incorrect to assume that I have any problem with "Ted knowing more about MBT" than I do. Do you think I'm out of line in pointing out something I've personally noticed and that has been brought to my attention by discouraged friends who would have otherwise been interested in participating here? I care about Tom's work and I care about getting his message out there for others to explore themselves. Honestly, I've been trying to be as straightforward and clear about my feelings on this as possible and in that: I'm not sitting here claiming to be "better" than anyone or anything and it's too bad that people tend to be attacked around here for their criticism of the established "authority" figure.

All I've really been trying to say is: how hard is it to be nice and warm (not to mention considerate) while firm and knowing at the same time?

Yeah, sorry Claudio- I don't really like when threads get way off topic either and Will- I apologize for the part I played in that. As was mentioned by Claudio: we're all learning.

in love and peace (for one and all),

-cole

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No problem brother. Keep it up man. You see how easy it is to act fearlessly when you feel the love inside of you?

How's Greta? C'mon guys. I still have my offer for people interested in mental visualizations. I posted previously, a couple posts above. If anybody wants to explore this I am willing to help the process through the phone and may be we can get some telepathic transmission in the trying. I'd like to follow up on the phone and see if we can transmit back and forward images. Send me a PM if interested.

Clau

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Well hermano,

Greta's doing well. She's been dealing with some minor health issues (hay fever and recently a stye) but nothing bad. The channeling is few and far between as we are so busy currently with our peculiarly challenging (but fun) PMR packets, but that's still going steady as well.

About the mental visualizations-- I would be totally interested in doing something like that remotely at a distance in order to establish psychic rapport but I'll admit: I'm not much of a phone guy. Maybe a few of us could simply arrange to do this at a certain time of the day or evening and report back to each other with our individual results. That would be fun, and a positive method for becoming more operational in the larger reality. I guess if we had good enough results I would try the phone thing-- ...Good ideas Claudio! Maybe if you can help me get out of body anytime soon (hehe) we could go assist some of the Haitians as well (non-physically of course).

:)

peace brother,
-cole

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Say hi to Greta.

Cole, without the phone can be good too. I see some drawbacks though. But we can try. We should start with simple stuff cause we are not in general so perceptive. I have an idea. We can have a volunteer to try to think or visualize just a color, no matter what shapes. Let's start with just a few colors:

Yellow, Red, Green, Blue, Orange

I would start with these 5 colors. A volunteer will transmit for a week one of this colors and then the following week we will try to guess it. The chances to guess it are 1/5 = 20%, which are pretty low (lower than 50%). Eventually we'll detect some good transmitters and good receivers. The advantage of the phone connection is that you are already connected through the PMR VR and you established a better connection with the help of the voice, etc. We should try both. I also don't have the time to do a lot of phone things. But I can do a 15-20 min session a week let's say at around 8pm more or less (taking into account other time zones). We can actually study a possible dependency of how the PMR communication helps, because we can also do it with Chat instead of phone. Actually chat would be a good alternative. We can use facebook chat too, there are several of us in facebook.

Actually we can do the 5 colors experiment using chat in facebook and eventually people might develop shape visualizations during the trials. Eventually we can start making more complex transmissions if successful.

Edit: I was thinking we may also try more than one transmitter, that way the transmitter will practice visualizations when trying that. We can also correlate the intensity of the visualizations with the transmissions. Independently of the success of the transmissions we will all practice meditation/visualization on trying them and might develop other stuff as well.

Claudio

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These 'ego' things, .... they can seem a little tedious....

..ah well... someday I imagine that someone doing a study of ego behavior will find a gold mine to work with, poring over some of these threads.

Anyone claiming the 'ego' moral high ground by pointing out someone else's arrogance... well, there's a seed thought for a meditation, eh?

Let's see, what direction are we headed here...?

-Montana