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 Post subject: Sharing a letter to Viv
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:29 pm 
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Hello Viv,

Viv: "...what in your opinion, could your work contribute to the future of Physics"

A very good and reasonable question trying to figure out: "where's the beef"... indeed "is there any beef?"

You know, it is difficult to assess the value of your own work objectively. To be valid, verification and general acceptance needs to come from others. To me, it seems perfectly clear though the concepts are very challenging to most who hear them for the first time - other technical people, including physicists who approach my work with open minds generally find that it is logically solid and answers fundamental questions otherwise unanswerable. I live my talk about open-minded skepticism -- The skeptical part will feel satisfied and successful - standing on perfectly solid ground -- only after physics (science in general) absorbs, embraces and accepts the core ideas in My Big TOE - that's real validation. But such a major change in attitude and perspective will not come easily or quickly - it will require physicists to rethink their notions of reality from the ground up - to cast aside the beliefs with which they now paint themselves into a corner that does not contain the answer. Trying to change the mind of committed believers has historically been a very difficult thing to do - whether in metaphysics or physics. Cultural beliefs run much deeper than the intellect.

However, the good news is, physics does seem to be moving in that direction - digital physics is a concept that is growing more acceptable by the mainstream. The research describing mind-matter entanglement at prestigious universities like Princeton and Temple (backward causality, modifying random event generators, the placebo effect, anticipatory empathetic reactions, etc.) represent rock solid objective science with immaculate protocol. The fundamental failure of physics in almost 100 years to make any serious progress toward finding a TOE that unites the theories of relativity and quantum mechanics under one more-general set of principles is shouting that the fundamental assumptions of physics are incomplete. The solution to all that is both fundamental and unfathomable is at hand: My Big TOE theory, with just two unremarkable assumptions provides the critical missing ingredient in digital physics (what and where is Dr. Fredkin's "other"), explains the mind-matter experiments with clear logical science, and unites relativity and quantum mechanics, showing them to be an approximation, a special case of a larger, more general and more complete theory. Just as the "flat earth" assumption was found to be valid for short distances, and Newtonian physics was found to be a special case approximation valid for a limited set of Macro conditions (slow speeds and medium to large sizes).

Once physics sees the logic of it and can outgrow the limiting beliefs that now constrain the traditional solution set such that it does not contain the correct answer, the effect upon our understanding and culture will be as big, if not bigger, than the round earth, Newtonian physics, and relativity and quantum mechanics all put together. (and I think it will one day happen because it is a better theory under the criteria science traditionally uses to determine the worth of a theory). An age of discovery and change will open up the minds and affect the personal lives of hundreds of millions of individuals over a decade - this is science that affects people personally - it is about the point and purpose of their existence - life and death. Science by itself would not have that large of an affect. However, My Big TOE not only delivers a breakthrough in physics but more importantly delivers an even larger breakthrough in philosophy, metaphysics, and theology. It would be hard to overestimate its potential impact on the people of this planet - scientists, philosophers, and theologians all solving their long standing intractable issues of understanding with the same set of overarching principles.

One minor example to make this point seem more real: Most who are seriously committed to religion and who attend my workshops or read the MBT trilogy, tell me that they equate the larger consciousness system with God. It's a perfect fit for those with a broader perspective of their religion. In their minds MBT derives God - i.e., an understanding of God that explains who, what, why, and how God is - and defines their personal relationship to God with logic and science replacing belief, creed, and dogma. Can you imagine theology where open-minded skepticism replaces belief as the fundamental requirement? I have people telling me they keep MBT and their bibles together on their nightstand?! And that is just theology (the most belief laden and intractable of the four) - the other three: physics, philosophy, and metaphysics are affected no less. If this attitude were to become a widespread concept (MBT does explain theology very nicely - and the fact that it also explains physics very nicely provides vast credibility) what kind of an effect would it have on the world - that is but one potential, one simple example that could contribute to a tsunami of changing attitudes toward the nature of our reality. Do you see the potential and why I said that "It would be hard to overestimate its potential impact on the people of this planet - scientists, philosophers, and theologians all solving their long standing intractable issues of understanding with the same set of overarching principles." The changes in physics alone would be revolutionary and that would be the smaller part.

This theory is falsifiable. There are literally dozens of experiment that can be done to verify the predicted results. This is real science, not just another wild improvable theory that sounds good if you don't think about it too hard.

When any of this might happen, I have no idea - perhaps not in my lifetime - it all depends on how the ball bounces - who picks it up and how the knowledge spreads. Who knows, the scientists might not lead this massive cultural change (cultural, scientific, spiritual, growth spurt), instead they may be dragged along by it because they are so committed to their beliefs. Science is the de-facto religion of the West (what most people believe in as being the fundamental source of truth) and science, like religion, has a vested interest in maintaining their belief systems. However, the truth is not fragile - science will eventually, sooner or later, accept it.

I hope this is what you are looking for. In short, here is the potential impact of MBT: this theory could turn physics on its head, produce a broader, more powerful, and more generally correct scientific method (the old one becoming a special case approximation), and advance the level of understanding and productivity of science greatly. It could unify physics, metaphysics, philosophy and theology, solving most all of the outstanding fundamental problems, and all derivable from the same overarching elegantly simple principles based on two easily acceptable assumptions. And that would be the least of it. And because I know that logic, truth and science are what they are, and MBT is what it is, I think one day, when the time is right and people are ready to let go of fear and belief for a better, more productive understanding of reality and existence, all this change will happen because the truth is not fragile - eventually it will become known. Today we are on the cusp of that happening - perhaps even in our lifetime.

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twcjr wrote:

I have people telling me they keep MBT and their bibles together on their nightstand?!

I hope this is what you are looking for. In short, here is the potential impact of MBT: this theory could turn physics on its head, produce a broader, more powerful, and more generally correct scientific method (the old one becoming a special case approximation), and advance the level of understanding and productivity of science greatly. It could unify physics, metaphysics, philosophy and theology, solving most all of the outstanding fundamental problems, and all derivable from the same overarching elegantly simple principles based on two easily acceptable assumptions. And that would be the least of it. And because I know that logic, truth and science are what they are, and MBT is what it is, I think one day, when the time is right and people are ready to let go of fear and belief for a better, more productive understanding of reality and existence, all this change will happen because the truth is not fragile - eventually it will become known. Today we are on the cusp of that happening - perhaps even in our lifetime.

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Wow Tom... this is such a wonderful possibility. I hope it comes to pass.

I'm just starting out on my exploration of consciousness, and I am trying my best to be a proper open-minded skeptic. I originally come from the other camp - your book sits on the same shelf with Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer!

Thanks for sharing the letter. :)

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Thanks for sharing the letter. It is very encouraging. It can even be used in the paper I have to write tomorrow in Idea History about paradigm shifts.

"it all depends on how the ball bounces - who picks it up and how the knowledge spreads."

I hope to make a difference on that part.

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Tom,

Thanks for sharing and thanks to Viv for asking the question.

This vision of a possible future, where the concepts contained in MBT are recognized as valid and "real", is a beautiful and hopeful vision of the world as I think it should be. Bringing this knowledge to the forefront of the collective human consciousness is, without a doubt in my mind, THE hope for a world that has been going in the wrong direction for years. A revolution long in the making. Tom, I hope you do see it in your lifetime as I definitely would love to see it in my current lifetime. It will come.

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twcjr wrote:
produce a broader, more powerful, and more generally correct scientific method (the old one becoming a special case approximation), and advance the level of understanding and productivity of science greatly.
Tom


Tom,

That is interesting to me, but could you elaborate on this specific point concerning a "more generally correct scientific method"? What exactly, in your opinion, is the more "generally scientific method" that this theory produces?


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JWG,

I'm afraid that Tom will not be available to answer until after the NY presentation. Until then, my suspicion is that he was referring to the exclusion from consideration by science of the possibility that Consciousness is an active cause and agent within our reality. If you exclude anything but physicality, physically based concepts, from all considerations of a causative agency, then you as Tom likes to say have limited your consideration to a sub set of possibilities that does not contain the solution to your problem.

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Ted Vollers wrote:
JWG,

I'm afraid that Tom will not be available to answer until after the NY presentation. Until then, my suspicion is that he was referring to the exclusion from consideration by science of the possibility that Consciousness is an active cause and agent within our reality. If you exclude anything but physicality, physically based concepts, from all considerations of a causative agency, then you as Tom likes to say have limited your consideration to a sub set of possibilities that does not contain the solution to your problem.

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Ted, All,

Thanks for your answer, and I do look forward to Tom's view when he has the time upon return as well.

I agree with you in that the majority of scientists do appear to limit their area of study currently to purely physical data and not personal experience as well, etc. Now, that said, I don't think the problem is within the scientific method itself per say, but in the way the people using it limit themselves via dogma (physical reality only, not including consciousness, etc). Just my perspective, though. Your thoughts?

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JWG,

The scientific method has an underlying assumption that reality is objective and deterministic. In fact, reality is probabilistic and statistical. The ramifications of this error were outlined and discussed in the NY workshop.

Speaking of which ....In several months, when Martin can find the time, I intend to put the entire NY workshop video (the last and most complete of all the workshops) on the web so everybody can attend at their leisure for free. I have been uploading the video (250 Gb) to Martin continuously for 7 days now and it will probably take another 4 days to complete the FTP transfer. Then, Martin must edit all that data into a decent set of approximately 5 to 7 two-hour videos (no trivial task). He will put them up one at a time as he gets them completed. Big job. I don't know whether Martin can use any help or not ... but, as everyone knows, he is fast and good at making quality videos.

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Martin is one helluva guy. and so are you Tom. You guys have helped me so much I can't tell you. Even though ultimately I found my way in Letters and numbers instead of physics, I guess. I couldn't have woken up any faster than by reading MBT. It really gave me the groundbreaking understanding...and now I'm publishing my 90 page book called "Hear We Go" under the pseudonym Paiden Philadelphia Fuller. It has given me true Philadelphia Freedom. Thanks again.

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Big job. I don't know whether Martin can use any help or not ... Tom
MP, please let me know if I can help! I am really looking forward to these videos coming out!


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twcjr wrote:
JWG,

The scientific method has an underlying assumption that reality is objective and deterministic. In fact, reality is probabilistic and statistical. The ramifications of this error were outlined and discussed in the NY workshop.

Speaking of which ....In several months, when Martin can find the time, I intend to put the entire NY workshop video (the last and most complete of all the workshops) on the web so everybody can attend at their leisure for free. I have been uploading the video (250 Gb) to Martin continuously for 7 days now and it will probably take another 4 days to complete the FTP transfer. Then, Martin must edit all that data into a decent set of approximately 5 to 7 two-hour videos (no trivial task). He will put them up one at a time as he gets them completed. Big job. I don't know whether Martin can use any help or not ... but, as everyone knows, he is fast and good at making quality videos.

Tom

I can't believe I missed the seminar. I live right here in NY and I made a mental note to myself to attend since the beginning of this year but it completely slipped my mind.(guess I should've made a physical note, rather than a mental one). Ah well, I look forward to those videos.


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I missed my chance because of my job and now it looks like I won't have that job much longer the way things are going. It's hard to read people sometimes.

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I missed my chance because of my job and now it looks like I won't have that job much longer the way things are going. It's hard to read people sometimes.

Sorry to hear that man. I hope you find another well paying job soon.


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There not firing me but I have been acting differently since I woke up and their a little concerned. I would be to I guess if I was on their side of the coin.

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Perhaps you are not "playing" the "correct" part at work, and all. I'm lucky as I don't have to go "out there" to work, yet, as I am Arthur's In Home Support Service giver. If I did have to work outside the home (and it feels funny calling loving my son work, but whatever) I would have to play my part at work according to the rule-set there while at the same time very subtly nudging towards some changes to make working there nicer for all, as needed. Sometimes you just have to play the part though.
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