No problem man. I was hoping not to offend. We try to stick to Tom's model or at least bring things around to see how they fit into the MBT model, but other views or perspectives are always welcome. Most of us here have just chosen MBT as the main framework around which to hang our metaphysical musings. Feel free to express your views anytime, anyhow.

Ramon

If I ever do get offended please point out the fact that my ego has returned.

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hmm, I pictured us falling to the ground an empty container without ANY ego, dang David, you don't have ANY ego sometimes? Tongue firmly in cheek.
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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Oh, I have ego everyday (This is verifiable through my Wife LOL). I just tell people who can identify it to point it out in me. People who can see ego are of a special breed.

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gosh..you guys are so much more civilized around here compared to NDE forums. Wonder what that datapoint suggests.

would it be more precise to have said "let me know if my ego has slipped out of its collar and gotten off leash"

under the kroeranian trifurcate model (KTM ; - )), we hold the ego to be precious, and especially useful, if well trained.

which stands in particular contrast to what I perceive to be the central value of new ageism, which is spirit/soul/higher self=good, ego=bad, body=on probation

that being said, anti-egoism has its place - when a new baby arrives in the family, the second son is no longer the centre of attention, but that of course creates its own set of problems

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kroeran: "gosh..you guys are so much more civilized around here compared to NDE forums. Wonder what that datapoint suggests."

I think the nature of Tom's work, compared to general metaphysical topics, is the reason for this. If it resonates with your being, you probably are well on your way towards lowering your entropy and growing spiritually. Thus, since the nature of a low entropy consciousness is love, the interactions here on this board trends towards that. If MBT does not resonate with you, or worse, pricks your ego because you think you are being picked on, then you are not very likely to stick around and especially not likely to participate in this forum dedicated to such a bunch of rubbish.

I'm not claiming that everyone here, and especially not myself, are super evolved beings but I would venture a guess that the statistics are skewed in that general direction far more than a sample of the average population. The few "troublemakers" that do show up usually either disappear due to lack of interest, or leave because they aren't able to draw members into their ego-fueling conflicts.

Ramon

I figured that you were directing this comment to a more general audience but I am sitting here with a sinus infection with nothing else to do so... Things can always be stated "more precisely" as I pointed out earlier. Especially when dealing with a specific model like the MBT. It all seems to depends on the audience. (BTW, the MBT audience seems to be a very unique audience IMO). Please do not construe this to mean that I view MBT people as "bad folks". :). Only Ramon is viewed as bad based on my 2 day stay here. ;)

Personally I don't see the ego as a bad thing because that to me would be insanity (or refusing to acknowledge physical reality attributes). My goal is to simply notice the ego and not let it form into a false identity, or cause suffering. The ego is what it is just like the fingers that I am tying with are what they are. Not good, not bad.

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dbmathis: "Only Ramon is viewed as bad based on my 2 day stay here. ;)"

Oh, I am so bad. Evil incarnate. :D

As I like to say, "wherever I go, ego." Then Shinoki (hi Shin) edited it to remind we are all in this together to, "wherever I go, wego."
Love
Bette

PS Oh yeah, I think the reason we are so reasonable here is out of respect for Tom.

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do you do any sort of nasal evacuation techniques?

http://www.ehow.com/how_4999619_treat-i ... i-pot.html

my version of this is to get a shallow bowl, and using absolutely clean water (boiled) that has been heavily salted, suck the warm liquid up into your sinuses (hold one nostril), then evacuate (the nose!)

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My Ear,Nose, and Throat doc recommended MeilMed sinus rinse bottle. You can find them at any drug store. You can also buy packets of premixed salt that are pretty cheap. I highly recommend it. It really helps. Also with allergies.