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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:26 am 
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And there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGxGVGiD3yk


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:47 pm 
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Yes, very Yikes. I wish he wouldn't have got all psychotic at the end though. I can handle a possibly developmentally challenged person (I am assuming) saying there will be a 9.0 earthquake in California Sept this year, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2FHAg5T ... r_embedded that shows me ANYONE CAN ACCESS the database, but start invoking or whatever, bam, I'm over it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:01 pm 
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Ya the Steve Quayle website can be a bit hysterical at times, but the quotes attributed to Richard Hoagland are accurate, I believe. Richard's not dumb, nor is he typically apocalyptic.

You can listen to the interview here on coast: He goes into the oil thing after the first half hour so set the time for June 15, the time at 00:00, and then once it pops up, scoot out to about 38 minutes, to get past the half hour break.

http://www.cjob.com/other/audiovault.html

He's done a total turn around favoring Obama, by the way, (he no longer does)

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Thank you Montana, I'll listen to it. I was rather taken aback at actually having to READ your first link, jeesh. ;)
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There is a lot of ouchy stuff on you tube regarding this topic. Some of it is predictably hypey and overly emotional, but some of it appears, on the surface at least, to be credible.

Ostensibly the situation is this:

1) Things are much worse than is being publicly released.

2) They are probably going to be even 'much worser' over time.

3) Media are ENTIRELY shut off from covering the event. MSM can only run with what they are told to.

4) Workers are strictly forbidden talking to the press with the threat of going to jail hanging over their heads.

5) Some more sensitive people on land are already starting to get sick from the fumes in the air.



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Heck, between what's going on in California, and this, it looks like many will be heading inland.
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I find it interesting that during Obama's speech tonight he said we are at the limits of "human technology" here with this oil gusher. Why would he specify human, what other kind of technology is there?
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bette wrote:
I find it interesting that during Obama's speech tonight he said we are at the limits of "human technology" here with this oil gusher. Why would he specify human, what other kind of technology is there?
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Answer: Alien technology, that US government is hiding, and may not use in public :)

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bette wrote:
I find it interesting that during Obama's speech tonight he said we are at the limits of "human technology" here with this oil gusher. Why would he specify human, what other kind of technology is there?
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Answer: Alien technology, that US government is hiding, and may not use in public :)

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Will the whole of the Gulf states have to be evacuated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGxGVGiD ... r_embedded

Benzene (Highly carcinogenic!) and Hydrogen Sulphide in the air.


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I think that if I still lived down there I would be strongly incline to cut out ASAP and avoid the rush. Here's why:

IT is getting to the point where there are huge blobs of oil both surface and sub-surface.

Already there are widespread complaints of breathing issues and headaches when the wind blows in certain direction (can be found on local blogs and other similar sites, for instance, http://oilspill.labucketbrigade.org/reports?page=1, nola.com, etc.)

It should be assumed that as time goes on, there will be more oil-related gunk in the gulf rather than less. Possibly a great deal more, or there may already be a great deal more that most of us are not aware of. Evidently, the main pipeline has been breached and stuff is being forced into the fissurey of the sub-surface rock and sand.... even will that avenue of escape the thing is STILL gushing bigtime at the well head:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill ... p_gul.html

When, (not if), a strong tropical storm or hurricane gets tooling through the gulf, it will pick up massive amounts of fumes and become a whirling quasi-to-moderately toxic cloud... full of not only the highly volatile stuff but even some greasey stuff too, and there is no reason to suppose that it will not be carried hundreds and hundreds of miles inland, gunking tens of thousands of square miles of turf, and causing probably panic, whether warranted or unwarranted.

All this is aside form Hoagland's concerns as noted above. There is nothing extreme in this view. In fact, to blithely suppose that the months ahead will see the problem resolved or no worse than it is now is a dangerous assumption.



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From Spiegel:

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06/08/2010

Hidden Menace in the Gulf of Mexico
Oil Spill's Real Threat Lies Beneath the Surface

By Philip Bethge

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The Gulf of Mexico spill is vastly larger than the Exxon Valdez accident in 1989, but where is all the oil? While efforts to protect coastlines have been making the headlines, the real ecological catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico is unfolding deep beneath the water's surface.

Samantha Joye was sure she was right. Somewhere down there, the toxic clouds were sure to exist. And now she was holding the evidence in her hands. A thin film of oil glistened in one of the small sample bottles Joye had filled with water taken from more than 1 kilometer (3,300 feet) beneath the surface.

"You could see it. Everybody saw it," Joye, a professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia, wrote on her blog. Besides, the sample taken from the Gulf of Mexico smelled as if it had come directly from a gas station.

Joye made this important discovery a few days ago on board the research ship Walton Smith, near the location where the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig went up in flames on April 20.

The scientists are now referring to the site as "Ground Zero." They have spotted oddly shaped "pancakes of oil" floating on the surface there, Joye reports, as well as "bizarre orange and black stringers, as deep in the water column as you could see."

The scientist lowered her sample container into this toxic soup. The preliminary lab results show what many had already feared: Massive amounts of oil are billowing beneath the water's surface in the Gulf of Mexico. Several teams of scientists have spotted clouds containing oil in the depths of the ocean, a number of which are several hundred meters thick and extend for several kilometers.

The discoveries have added a new dimension to the fight to contain the oil spill. While thousands of workers and volunteers are currently defending the coastlines of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida against the reddish-brown scourge, what could be a far greater ecological catastrophe is taking shape out in the ocean.

Where's the Oil?

According to new estimates, more than twice as much oil has flowed into the Gulf of Mexico in the last 50 days than was spilled from the oil tanker Exxon Valdez into Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989.

But where has all the oil gone?

Relatively little has reached the coasts so far, leading scientists to fear that much of it is still lurking underwater. And in addition to the oil, the water is contaminated with massive amounts of chemicals that BP workers have been spraying for weeks to disperse the oil. "In my opinion, the situation is comparable to that of a hurricane that's building up off the coast and gaining in strength," warns Larry McKinney of the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies in Corpus Christi, Texas.

Majestic whale sharks and rare Kemp's Ridley sea turtles are now swimming through the oily water. Sperm whales and thousands of dolphins are forced to breathe the toxic fumes on the ocean surface. A myriad of plankton organisms migrate, in a day-and-night rhythm, up and down through a water column contaminated with oil. Finally, ancient reefs on the ocean floor are suffering beneath the toxic soup.

'There Aren't Any Plumes'

"We are now entering a different phase of this disaster," Samantha Joye, the marine biologist, told the news agency Bloomberg in an interview. "Everybody has been focusing on the surface impacts, which is normal. But now we've got to switch gears and start thinking about the deep water."

For Joye, it's also a matter of her reputation as a scientist. Her team discovered the first signs of the monstrous oil clouds in mid-May. But BP CEO Tony Hayward disputes that the clouds even exist. "The oil is on the surface," he said. "There aren't any plumes." He argues that, because oil is lighter than water, it will always float to the surface. BP scientists, at any rate, have found "no evidence" of underwater oil clouds.

The oil executive is trying to prevent the environmental damage from becoming more and more apparent. The US's entire Gulf fishing industry could be shut down for years if the scientists' fears turn out to be true. In the end, the overall damage will determine how much BP will be expected to pay in compensation.

Despite BP's claims, the evidence of submarine pollution is now overwhelming. Scientists at the University of South Florida also recently discovered an enormous amount of oil at about 1,000 meters (3,280 feet) beneath the surface. The cloud of finely dispersed oil particles extends for 35 kilometers, billowing to the northeast of the Deepwater Horizon accident site. It's one of the most species-rich regions of the Gulf of Mexico.

(Article is truncated, for the rest plus Pix see the above link)



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Did you know BP are burning all the oil they collect? 600,000 gallons a day.

This GOM oil spill has a mythic quality about it. From the moment it happened, I had a strong feeling it would be unstoppable. The GOM is where the asteroid hit that wiped out the dinosaurs. The earth is bleeding, thanks to us, from an old wound -it will be hard to stitch.


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Burning it for energy, or...?
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Bette - burning to waste: here's a link.
http://www.takepart.com/news/2010/06/17 ... lly-deadly
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