Hi all, well I bought and read the trilogy, after having it recomended by a friend.
I must say it was not worthy of all the Hype. The book could have been at least one third it's size.
The Idea that we are all aspects of the one Consciousness has existed forever and has been the foundation of the work of many Mystics,Poets,Artists and even some Scientists.
The Computer analogy's become a little tiring after a while, consciousness is nothing like a digital computer,they may do boring calculations very fast and appear almost magical to people with a cargo cult mentality, who don't understand what they are and how they work. They only can perform when they have a program, appropriate hardware an operating system, power supply,human interface I/P, O/P, They need consciousness to 1/Think of them ,2/Work out how to make them, 3/ Think of uses for them, 4/ Program them to perform their switching functions, 5/Fix them when they break down, 6/ Throw them out when broken.etc etc.
Thomas Campbell reduces everything down to his bias in the computer world, to Quote his own words from BK.2/ch.43/ pg.379,
His ' Expertise and preaching' on LOVE and its meaning ring incredibly hollow when one reads that 'Presently, and for the past 20 years, he has been at the heart of developing US missile defense systems.' That DEFINITLEY does not harmonise with any concept of LOVE that I can Identify with, unless of course he worked on the LOVE MISSILE !!! or maybe it's just that Americans don't understand IRONY. And I don't understand WAR as an Industry!
CONSCIOUSNESS is all there is, everything that exists is CONSCIOUSNESS.!!!!!!!!
Anybody Interested in some real cutting edge science should read WALTER RUSSELL 'THE SECRET OF LIGHT', written in 1947 his Idea's on 'The Electric Universe' are way ahead of his time, Nicola Tesla told him "to keep his Ideas hidden for 1000 years, then maybe the world might be ready for them".
May Peace be with You and Real LOVE..........

Hi Paracelsus, and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. Is there anything you actually want to discuss, or have you already made up your mind that to defend the US from missles is evil?
Love
Bette

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All That Is
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Consciousness.

Paracelsus,

From WikiPedia: Paracelsus (born Phillippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim, 11 November or 17 December 1493 in Einsiedeln, Switzerland – 24 September 1541 in Salzburg, Austria) was a Renaissance physician, botanist, alchemist, astrologer, and general occultist. "Paracelsus", meaning "equal to or greater than Celsus", refers to the Roman encyclopedist Aulus Cornelius Celsus from the first century known for his tract on medicine. He is also credited for giving zinc its name, calling it zincum and is regarded as the first systematic botanist.

I am curious why you chose this name as your avatar.

Your ability to read, analyze and gain and retain information from what you have read appears from your post to be quite limited. It is several times acknowledged in MBT that this is ancient information other than the upgrade to include digital computer technology and modern physics and also that there is a great deal of repetition in different terms to provide the best chance for those not from fields that already give them basic understanding of the concepts to understand the exposition. We are familiar with this without need for you to point it out as it is clearly stated in the books. You are repeatedly advised to skip that which you already know as well as that which goes over your head.

The computer analogies are not just analogies but explanations at a basic, conceptual rather than detailed technical level, of how Consciousness is and develops as a distributed digital computational field which comes to acquire the capacity of awareness, consciousness. If you understand what is said, you will see that direct comparisons to current computers with cpu's, dynamic memory, hard drive memory, etc. as hardware and requiring programming by a separate intelligence are actually poor models for the reality described which has distributed computational functionality, interspersed with memory, that is fully self programming and the result of evolutionary forces within the system.

To quote you: "he has been at the heart of developing US missile defense systems". Do you know the significance of the word emphasized and underlined?

The work that you idolize can be downloaded at this link: http://www.archive.org/details/WalterRu ... retOfLight
if anyone wishes as it is in public domain. From the information in WikiPedia, his concepts were entirely PMR centric. That is, he had apparently no experience within and exploring NPMR. He was however obviously a genius and there may be useful information in his book.

I suggest a reread with an emphasis on understanding rather than with the viewpoint that it is already exceeded by your favorite source.

Ted

Indeed the idea that we are all one consciousness has existed for a long time, has Tom claimed that it is his original idea? Nope. On the contrary, he acknowledges this fact.

The relationship between consciousness and digital computers is described here: http://books.google.com/books?id=6To090 ... rs&f=false

Your critique about missile defence has already been addressed, maybe you will reconsider your take on it: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3646

Well I got the Tom Campbell sycophants to respond as I expected , especially mr Ted, you must be the Firewall.After reading many posts at this site I have found mr Ted to be pompous,smug,and arrogant, –noun- offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
When anyone posts a genuine question the answer is basicly always the same " you don't understand " or " read the book again ". My big toe appears to have the makings of a Cult,we're told to keep an open mind but in the end Tom knows all and Ted's the security. I do not Idolise Walter Russell, but his Ideas are not stuck in the material world, which he explains as a simulation, an Illusion, a play, a learning space !!!!! I just happened to buy 2 of his books at the same time as buying the mbt trilogy and had not even heard his name prior to that !!!! I've read hundreds of books on many diverse subjects and have my own life experiences. I am a communication Tech,a musician guitar + keyboards, have a recording studio, do a 4 hour radio show each week,also paint and draw.I do not have any problems understanding or retaining information , but I know how to filter what is not needed or is superfluous. I chose the name Paracelsus because alchemists have great names! why did mr Ted choose the picture of the sad,tired, worried looking, Plato like dude ?
Now on to the Military issue , no I did not use the word evil, I do not use that term it's far too fundamentalist for me, but why does the US feel that it has so many enemies?Could it be that they are the schoolyard bully, who has become so paranoid that every shadow is out to get him ? The USA with its massive spending budget, is the principal determinant of the current world trend, and its military expenditure now accounts for just under half of the world total, at 46.5% of the world total;Shareholders and employees in the aerospace and defense industry are clearly the ones who benefit most from growing defense spending.
Defense companies, whose main task is to aid governments’ efforts to defend or acquire territory, routinely highlight their capacity to contribute to economic growth and to provide employment.Military might delivers geopolitical supremacy, but peace delivers economic prosperity and stability.
And, of course, this will come from American tax payer money. Many studies and polls show that military spending is one of the last things on the minds of American people.
Have you ever thought about why the US is basicly bankrupt 56% of the budget (approx) is spent on the military.
Of course this a bit too "PMR",but that happens to be where your physical form is located at this clocking cycle of the 'INTELGOD' COREnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx processor, and you are focused here for a purpose whatever that may be I'll let you ponder that.... More info available here http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#USmilitarybudgetvsotherUSpriorities

If I were a US citizen I would show some concern over these matters or will the US go the way of the ROMAN EMPIRE or become a place for Cubans to have cheap Vacations !!!!!!

PEACE, LOVE and IMPROVED QUALITY of CONSCIOUSNESS,HEALTHCARE and PUBLIC SCHOOLS. And as John Lennon once said " REALITY LEAVES A LOT TO THE IMAGINATION ".

Hello Paracelsus.

I had to admit I laughed at your last post, @ sycophants:



I wonder if you chose sycophants instead of psychofans because of Simba.



Well, this is not a problem if you consider imagination a reality.

Good to see your opinions. Where are you from? Where do you live in PMR?

Sometimes things appear one way but that is just one view. There may be reasons behind that you don't know, but anyway we try. It's good that you try. Try this, try that, get what you feel of value and move on.

Later,

Claudio

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"Experience is the ultimate teacher."

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What makes you think I'm not concerned about GREED and MANIPULATION done for the profit of other at the manipulates expense?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Paracelsus,

Apparently the truth stung! I chose that avatar picture because that is what I look like if you take my photograph and run the file through an edge filter. Not so much tired as tired of all the B. S. to the exclusion of rationality. I stand by my comments to you.

Chacun à son goût./Whatever turns you on.

Ted

The Roman Empire was the best thing to happen to Europe at the time.

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Not necessarily from the viewpoint of the typical "barbarian" of the time.

Is Paracelsus a European? He provided no information of his point of origin, but sounds European. Wonder how he would feel about American Policy if the US had not entered the war on the part of the Allies or served as their arsenal earlier and he was presently living under the Third Reich? If he is not European, he might be worshiping the Divine Emperor, depending on which other part of the world he originates from. Wonder if he will be back to further share his views?

Ted

Ted,

why are you trying to defend this country? Paracelsus has his view about USA and thinks or believes according to it. Most of us equate people of a given country to its government. As a saying goes, people get a government they deserve. So, we, Americans, are responsible for a kind of government we have here. Do you remember, when several years ago, around beginning of Iraqi war, anti French propaganda here? It was all over the place, don't buy French wine, cheese, and etc. It was ugly, but it was everywhere, and we, Americans, followed media step by step. Was it a mistake on our part, or French people deserved our reaction? Most young people don't remember or never heard of WWII lend-lease, or Marshall Plan, but they see what is in front of them, and have their opinion about it. Paracelsus attacked you personally. Has he pressed a right button, and you are paying him back? I think we should refrain from using this kind of tactic.

Has anybody heard of Offense department in any country? USSR had a Defense Ministry, North Korea has a Defense Ministry. We use wolds to make things sound and look better, but behind wolds they are the same, e.g. wolds don't matter too much, an action is important.

Lena

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Lena,

There is always more to everything than just one point of view. That some are led by the nose by the media or the propaganda ministry into bad points of view is true. That children grow up very short sighted regarding history is also true. That this is frequently augmented by the deliberate slanting of and omissions from textbooks by their elders is also true. America had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of isolationism. If it had not happened, then Europeans would in fact be likely enjoying the Third Reich in its continuing squabbles with the Empire of the Rising Sun, as would we. That there are advocates of American Empire or as world policeman, waning in the realities of today, is true. That there are many things that have been done to many other peoples of the world by the ones with the ability at the time is simply true of the PMR Kindergarten. Have you ever heard the satire of the golden rule that was popular a few decades ago? "Do unto others - then split!" To point out a shortcoming of a largely held world view is not a personal attack on Paracelsus. Paracelsus exposed his limitations in the very limited amount of and distorted information he obtained from reading MBT. I am not an advocate of political correctness. A spade is a spade. The cards fall as they will. If you want to look at all sides of a question, then really do so.

Ted

Barbarians were never ruled under Roman Empire mostly cletic tribes who killed each other and were taken into slavery from North Africa, its sudgested that Roman rule was welcomed into western Europe and the departure 500 years later brought what we call the dark ages. Building an infrustucture of roads, trade, law, agricultural and masonary advances was overall a good thing! yes there was brutality under roman system it wasnt all ring a ring of roses but its better than having to eat mud and have Pict cut out your heart because they cant be more practical with their time. Flushing loos Ted we had flushing loos!!

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O btw on the whole 'glad to help you out in ol ww2', yeah thx for that, I come from Plymouth if my great great great great great great granny didnt help her neighbour run down to the boat bound for the new world then Teds great great great great great great uncles former room mate wouldnt have had a future to save us from zee Germans.

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....'we were on the edge of the desert, 100 miles from Barstow, when the drugs began to take hold'...HST

Didn't know that the barbarians had a particular identity. I was just lumping all the Gauls, Picts, and I don't know what all together for lack of greater knowledge or at least memory. Ever heard the old one, Rosie O'Grady and the Colonel's lady are sisters under the skin? We are all cousins, however many times removed. Even without reincarnation, we trade roles of subjects and oppressors over the centuries. And how many former colonies of the British Empire are still linked by a mostly common language, legal system and general sense of who we are and what makes for fair play.

Ted