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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:05 am 
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is consciously splitting your consciousness the way to go? as to creating specific characters for example that can help you handle day to day situations, help planning, reprogram yourself? even have fun?

iv been working on this for a few days and had some funny experiences with it.

after trying it i looked up some articles about it on the internet, and found that it was mostly crazy people who do this but apparently have no control over it...

if all is consciousness i should be able to split my own and it should exist just as everyone else exist for me and even have a mind of his own right?


just would like to have a few views about this, i find discussion with my self much more amusing this way


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Damon,

To clarify things, I do not believe that you actually mean splitting your consciousness as in what Tom Campbell does in simultaneously participating in PMR and NPMR, as I understand him. You mention "crazy people" doing this with no control over it. I think what you are referring to is something that essentially everyone does to a degree. That is essentially to have specialized subroutines of behavior or sub personalities if you prefer that phrase, that they employ in different situations as appropriate.

Easy examples would be the motherly routine of caring for an infant, talking baby talk, being very gentle, etc. Contrast that with the house cleaning mode or the sexy lover mode. The 'soccer mom' mode. The salesman mode is very typically recognized among those eager to sell you a new car, new appliance, new house, etc. Then there is the teacher mode, differentiable as to grade level and from the professor mode. Engineers are typically thought of as generally behaving slightly different that other professions. I always felt myself to have a distinct 'problem solving' mode when dealing with a failure to perform by a physical system. Then there is the medical doctor mode, the high priced specialist mode and the surgeon mode. And don't forget the quintessential politicians mode or their to be admired, statesman's mode.

You might also be thinking about the 'picking up women' mode or the out on a date mode. Not really likely that any of these amount to a true splitting of consciousness. Perhaps substantially different in behavior, but not something that will go on simultaneously and separately.

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can you specify what you mean by splitting your consciousness? Sounds interesting. I perceive what you say as imaginative friends. Anyway, however the terms, it is not far from what AUM (and every subsystem eventually) is doing, according to MBT-model.


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k0liver wrote:
can you specify what you mean by splitting your consciousness? Sounds interesting. I perceive what you say as imaginative friends. Anyway, however the terms, it is not far from what AUM (and every subsystem eventually) is doing, according to MBT-model.
This makes sense to me since in a fractally way what is possible in one level seems like any level could have as a possibility.

When the word "crazy" was mentioned schizophrenia came to mind.
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Yea, I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but what an awesome question to consider.

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I would substitute the word "persona" for "mode", as per Ted's posting.

Having one mode or persona for all situations can be an entropic failure of youth or immaturity - we need different persona for talking to our mom, talking to our lover, taking to our boss, talking to our dog, appropriate to the circumstances, as Ted says.

for example, I can often tell which friend or relative or collegue my wife is talking to on the phone, by her tone of voice and personality she is projecting.

one of my pet theories is that professional women need to have two distinct persona, one for the office vs one for the home, or particularly, for the husband, in order to optimize minimizing entropy with each.

You could call it a form of para-feminism. The bitch-on-wheels-schtick works pretty good for getting a ring on your finger...but not so good for getting to the 20th anniversary and beyond.

A guy can more easily get away with a mono-persona, that more or less works in the office and in the home (bedroom).

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I never wanted anything to do with that entire "getting a guy to marry me" thing, I am just not into that game, and always saw it as a game. Now I know what to call it, thanks Randy.
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kroeran wrote:
The bitch-on-wheels-schtick works pretty good for getting a ring on your finger...but not so good for getting to the 20th anniversary and beyond.


Really??? I thought a woman had to use all feminine wiles to get a ring on her finger and then she could be a bitch after she married. Oh wait, are we still in 1960?


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It seems that the notion of needing a different persona or mode for various situations may be in support of ego (though it clearly is something that most all of us do). Letting go of ego seems to be a process of honest introspection. Removing the various layers of ego would eventually uncover the "us" at the core. It would not seem that that core "us" would change but remain constant regardless of the situation. Consider some of the historical spiritual leaders: Jesus, the Buddha, Ghandi, etc.

This is not the same as saying that we can't alter our language or communication method. It would not be wise to speak to a 1 year old with the same language that one would use with an adult. The core values and perspective however would most likely need to remain unchanged and unhidden.

Anyway, something to consider. Ironically, it is a difficult task to be who we really are ;)

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This is how i see it,
im nobody, none of these impressions are the actual me, i talk to my mother a certain way, and to my friends a whole differant way. who am i? none of these impressions are me, either it be when talking to my boss or whatever, girl friend etc...

and yes we all do this, but most people aren't aware of this..

i believe that everyone is crazy in there own way...

yes i have been getting very interesting results with this little character, much of what he tells me is for my own good, and i can feel more options now when dealing with situations.
ive had real good conversations with him and even caught myself laughing out loud almost..

fundamental process made me do it

i believe that many people believe that tom can do extraordinary things, im sure he is extraordinary ;) but i dont believe hes doing anything more than we are, just much more aware of his being, and uses this to his advantage..

i don't mean to offend anyone or be rude but,
people should get off Toms jock*( and i ment the other word, but who i am here tells me to keep it clean)
and really search into themselves.

no disrespect to Tom OR anyone else at all! just some good old straight advice.

what do i know anyways.


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k0liver wrote:
can you specify what you mean by splitting your consciousness? Sounds interesting. I perceive what you say as imaginative friends. Anyway, however the terms, it is not far from what AUM (and every subsystem eventually) is doing, according to MBT-model.



Yess exactly! imaginative friends like we all had when we were little. what use could it be if it was consciously done and directed?
im still testing it out


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It seems you know quite a bit, Damon.
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Ted Vollers wrote:
Damon,

To clarify things, I do not believe that you actually mean splitting your consciousness as in what Tom Campbell does in simultaneously participating in PMR and NPMR, as I understand him. You mention "crazy people" doing this with no control over it. I think what you are referring to is something that essentially everyone does to a degree. That is essentially to have specialized subroutines of behavior or sub personalities if you prefer that phrase, that they employ in different situations as appropriate.

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You might also be thinking about the 'picking up women' mode or the out on a date mode. Not really likely that any of these amount to a true splitting of consciousness. Perhaps substantially different in behavior, but not something that will go on simultaneously and separately.

Ted



Yes that is part of it!
... specialising one dude to help you with all or somthing...

The big cheese ? lol


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bette wrote:
It seems you know quite a bit, Damon.
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the absolute truth is revolting

thank you bette

"When the word "crazy" was mentioned schizophrenia came to mind."

U must be reading my thoughts!

i feel less crazy now


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