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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:24 pm 
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http://superconsciousness.com/topics/sc ... -not-brain
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Great that this article found you (cloning your style :)

This is good pro MBT material. This agrees with my views, even before MBT found me:

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One of the first modern thinkers to endorse an outside-the-brain view of consciousness was William James, who is considered the father of American psychology. In his 1898 Ingersoll Lecture at Harvard University, James took a courageous stand against what he called “the fangs of cerebralism and the idea that consciousness is produced by the brain. He acknowledged that arrested brain development in childhood can lead to mental retardation, that strokes or blows to the head can abolish memory or consciousness, and that certain chemicals can change the quality of thought. But to consider this as proof that the brain actually makes consciousness, James said, is irrational.

Why irrational? Consider a radio, an invention that was introduced during James’s lifetime, and which he used to illustrate the mind-brain relationship. If one bangs a radio with a hammer, it ceases to function. But that does not mean that the origin of the sounds was the radio itself; the sound originated from outside it in the form of an electromagnetic signal. The radio received, modified, and amplified the external signal into something recognizable as sound. Just so, the brain can be damaged in various ways that distort the quality of consciousness – trauma, stroke, nutritional deficiencies, dementia, etc. But this does not necessarily mean the brain “made” the consciousness that is now disturbed, or that consciousness is identical to the brain.


This goes well with Tom's defining the brain as a constraint of information transmission. I used to say it was like people assume the keyboard in a computer is the one that creates the information in it. It is a constraint on information input to the computer, but not the creator of the information.

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Radio-great analogy

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Sweet post!


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As physicist Chris Clarke, of the University of Southampton, says, “On one hand, Mind is inherently non-local. On the other, the world is governed by a quantum physics that is inherently non-local. This is no accident, but a precise correspondence ...[Mind and the world are] aspects of the same thing...The way ahead, I believe, has to place mind first as the key aspect of the universe...We have to start exploring how we can talk about mind in terms of a quantum picture...Only then will we be able to make a genuine bridge between physics and physiology.”

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Bette nice link. Kudos.


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Yeah, Dossey rocks. :)
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I'm having a difficult time finding useful evidence within this article to support the belief (which I already agree with, but am constantly skeptical of).

On one hand the author compares the brain to a radio, and in the next they state that consciousness behaves nothing like a radio signal... So then how is there relevance in that analogy (the correlation is made almost too obscure)? And why use an imaginary number that a person cannot comprehend to base a comprehension on (infinite)? I feel PMR has well defined the finite to the average UOC more often than the infinite and they may disregard the creditability on unbaseable results.

One citation for evidence is also something like, "there are millions of testimonials". No specific references or experiments then follow to provide belief to this claim.

I admire the goal and the intentions of the author, but feel they missed opportunities to give the work a real punch or obscure doubt associated with the main points.


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Perhaps the author does not have their head all the way around the nonphysical Reality concept.
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bette wrote:
Perhaps the author does not have their head all the way around the nonphysical Reality concept.


Makes sense to me. Heck I've been studying it for 15 years and I feel like I'm barely there.


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