Greetings Tom

I enjoyed your trilogy as i ploughed through its depths. It was a lot to assimilate! Your toe has clarified some points that were a little unclear and I thank you for that. I read on a discussion group that u stated that OOBE was like your backyard compared to the universe available to us. Now that sounds fascinating as I assumed OOBE was the only way to experience NPMR. Does this mean that I do not need to leave my body and I can be experiencing a another PMR or NPMR whilst still using my body in this PMR? now thats multi tasking! How does the conciousness shift to different realities?

I was born into a christian family (god help me!) I grew up learing creation and thank god (LOL) i have broken free of the belief system for the last 13 years! Its fascinating observing peoples belief systems and the illusions they create! I have always been interested by the diversity of life on earth. Does all life on earth develop of its own accord through profability or does life get manipulated or created by beings with low entropy who can manipulate and create in this PMR? Can new animals be created?

If OOBE is not the 'answer' then how else can we learn? can we experience NPMR by going inside ourselves rather than leaving our bodies. If we are one then my guides, jupiters moons and everything out there to be experienced by an OOBE should be inside me and I should be able to go within to experience and learn?

Look forward to your reply.

Enjoy your day

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Blue: Does this mean that I do not need to leave my body and I can be experiencing another PMR or NPMR whilst still using my body in this PMR?

Tom: Yes, absolutely.


Blue: Does all life on earth develop of its own accord through profitability or does life get manipulated or created by beings with low entropy who can manipulate and create in this PMR? Can new animals be created?

Tom: Both. PMR evolution and the psy uncertainty principle pretty much dictate what can be done and what can propagate forward once it has been done. Scientists of low and high entropy can create simple new life-forms (self replicating entities with unique DNA) just as nature can (e.g., through mutation).

Blue: If OOBE is not the 'answer' then how else can we learn? .... I should be able to go within to experience and learn?

Tom: Again, Yes absolutely! OOBE is AN answer (a limited one at that), not THE answer. You are consciousness experiencing a virtual PMR. As consciousness you have the keys to the consciousness kingdom. Only your perspective and the beliefs that support it trap you in PMR. From your perspective: You need to go Out of Mind (OOM) :-). Your consciousness is the doorway to all experience (OOME) -- while OOBE is just one type of OOME experience (one particular special purpose reality frame) available to your consciousness.

Tom C

Wow Tom that was swift! thanks for the reply.

TC how can i tell between the thoughts and imagination passing through my concious mind and imagery recieved through conciousness exploration?

Do u sleep and dream anymore or r u able to use your PMR sleep time to explore the diversity of the multiverse?

Is White Powder Gold (manna) just another limiting PMR pathway to spiritualism or is it multi dimensional?
do u suggest we develop and do everything conciously and with intent (is that why OOBE r so limited?) rather than relying on manna or techniques?

can u heal ur own PMR body now therefore becoming a long liver?

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Hello blue,

I found it interesting that you asked about the white powder gold -- whenever I see a reference to AUM, that's what I think of and I wonder if Tom used that acronym deliberately. As I have not finished the books, I don't even know if he mentions wpg anywhere, but I sort of had assumed not.

The other thing was that during my reading about the psi uncertainty principle, I was particularly thinking about how this applied to studies with wpg, and it was amusing to me. I've spent some time trying to apply some scientific study to wpg, and eventually gave up and only now do I (think) I understand why (the psi uncertainty principle was fully invoked).

I'll be interested to see what Tom says about this.

Welcome (from one newbie to another)!

Blue: how can I tell between the thoughts and imagination passing through my conscious mind and imagery received through consciousness exploration?

Tom: Two reinforcing methods:
1) Practice meditation until you are very confident that you can completely and consistently control your mind for long periods of time — i.e., until you can completely and consistently eliminate the noise, the extraneous or idle thoughts, the constant analysis and judging. Until the ego stops expecting results to mirror beliefs, stops wondering and comparing, stops fearing failure. Then there will be no “thoughts and imagination passing through [your] conscious mind“ -- only the OOME remains.
2) Make an effort to gather experience and information that you can verify. Spend the majority of your time experimenting and testing within a limited set of experience that lends itself to objective verification. Continue experimenting, testing, and verifying until you are sure to a near statistical certainty that what you are doing is real and not imagined.


Blue: Do u sleep and dream anymore or r u able to use your PMR sleep time to explore the diversity of the multiverse?

Tom: Occasionally all of the above. If I am particularly busy in NPMR, I sometimes never get around to sleeping before morning. Generally I sleep well and seldom dream. Dream activity waxes and wanes — dreams may come and go for a few weeks and then disappear for months — depends on what sort of experiences I need to have/rehearse — a form of communication — a way to work off issues or practice correct intent in various challenging scenarios with immediate feedback and no direct price to pay in PMR. Like taking a night class on a pass/fail basis.

Blue: Is White Powder Gold (manna) just another limiting PMR pathway to spiritualism or is it multi dimensional?

Tom: Never heard of white powder gold until now and Google was not very enlightening in any objective way. Let me assure you that I have never run across any magic pills, charms, substances, crystals, drugs, chants, mediation techniques, books, associations, physical trauma or anything else that somehow automatically induces higher quality consciousness. If you don't earn it, it is not yours to keep. One may occasionally be induced to experience or perform certain psi phenomena, but that is pretty much useless in the big picture unless you also change who you are (grow up). In fact, it becomes counterproductive when induction of altered states and the experience of psi phenomena DIMINISHES or REPLACES the evolutionary goal of raising consciousness quality with the ego goal of shortcuts to cool experiences. The entropy of your consciousness does not decrease even a micro-smidgen because you had a cool psi experience. That’s going about it backwards and leads to nowhere important. If you decrease the entropy of your consciousness sufficiently, then cool psi experiences can become a quite ordinary and natural part of your everyday reality. Chasing shortcuts with too much energy and hopefulness often creates a longcut that is more likely to delay one’s progress than shorten it. Experiment all you want, just don't damage or hamstring yourself in the process, and don't get carried away like a compulsive gambler with your ego’s desires, wants, hopes, and expectations.


Blue: do u suggest we develop and do everything consciously and with intent (is that why OOBE r so limited?) rather than relying on manna or techniques?

Tom: Yes, as stated above. OOBE is limited because it is only a very small special purpose reality. It is only your back yard, not the rest of the world. I discuss this elsewhere in this forum. If you are obsessed with having an OOBE that obsession can get in the way as discussed above. If you are curious and intrigued but not obsessed, OOBE may provide the incentive you need to begin a path toward growing up. OOBE just is, what you make of it can be good or bad for the evolution of your consciousness.

Blue: can u heal ur own PMR body now therefore becoming a long liver?

Tom: Yes, I can do that, but I generally don't do that. Remaining in PMR as long as possible is not my goal. Optimizing the evolution of my consciousness is my goal. The experience I have in PMR can only be a learning experience if I let it alone and simply interact honestly with it like everyone else. If I manipulate my experience here, then I have eliminated that experience as a potential source of learning and growth — thus defeating one of the major points of being here in the first place. The idea of joining this virtual PMR and then manipulating the experience to make yourself safe and comfortable is something only a little picture ego could find desirable. That would be like being a pro baseball player and joining a team that you somehow make hit homeruns on every pitch — every pitch every game — wow, what a lot of fun that would be year after year — great career.

Tom C

How were we created, more specificially how was I created?

Sexual procreation only takes care of the physical PMR bodies, or is there a similar process in NPMR? Is it much like how AUO evolved into AUM? Can conceive of some intelligence needing an additional component to preform some task, and so creates it.

If you've gone over this in MBT, then I'm sorry for asking it again. Have a habit of reading something real fast to gain familiarity, then reading it again to gain understanding.

We were discussing below...

<Blue: can u heal ur own PMR body now therefore becoming a long liver?

<Tom: Yes, I can do that, but I generally don't do that. Remaining in PMR as long as possible is not my goal. Optimizing the evolution of my consciousness is my goal. The experience I have in PMR can only be a learning experience if I let it alone and simply interact honestly with it like everyone else. If I manipulate my experience here, then I have eliminated that experience as a potential source of learning and growth — thus defeating one of the major points of being here in the first place. The idea of joining this virtual PMR and then manipulating the experience to make yourself safe and comfortable is something only a little picture ego could find desirable. That would be like being a pro baseball player and joining a team that you somehow make hit homeruns on every pitch — every pitch every game — wow, what a lot of fun that would be year after year — great career.

Tom, Tom u look at it totally different to me, great we have free will choices then hey :) There is so much to learn in everything we do. Ur higher self animates many bodies simultaniously throughout time and space. Why deny yourself what you have learnt. Is that not judging yourself as others would? Surely healing injuries to continue exploring the world we inhabite cant be construed as manipulation. This whole experience is a game, why would you achieve learned knowledge then not use it to further your experiences in the game. Play hard. Choose your experiences with more knowledge and precision. You would not be hitting homeruns everytime because you would not be playing baseball forever. You would move on and make a big difference as your entropy decreased. Blue

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Shin,

Yes, I do discuss this subject in MBT but you got the gist of it already -- your comment: "Can conceive of some intelligence needing an additional component to perform some task, and so creates it." sums it up pretty well. It's not as hard or complex a task as you might think. Put together the right ingredients (memory, processing capability, self modification via feedback loops) under the astute guidance of evolution and rudimentary consciousness (an entity) begins to develop on its own.

Tom

Tom, how do I create a flower?

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

blue,

What's your point?

Tom,

no point, just trying to get blood out of a stone :)

Last night I was meditating and my right foot felt tingly and light as if my astral foot had floated free of my physical foot. I attempted to lift myself out and imagined looking down on my body from above but no go. Any suggestions?

I am fascinated with creation and the diversity and how it appears creators have inspired each other. How can creators create? do they need to know the intricasies of biology and how everything works or can they design and create a new species of animal or plant, minerals like a designer uses software. The designer does not need to know programming language and how the software talks with the computer to create but the designer does know how to use the software to shape and mould the design to create artwork. Is creation the same? Can someone imagine the creature or flower and then it is created without having to know how the atoms are specifically put together and which amino acids are needed?

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Greetings daka

thank you for the welcome, i missed your message earlier and only now have read it. I was quite surprised that Tom did not know about wpg, or at least did not want to discuss it. It is an interesting thing wpg. I have researched it and tried a vial. I believe continued exposure would make changes, especially coupled with fasting and meditation. i am surprised it is now so widely available which makes me wary of it and doubt its pathway. wpg is the manna the bible speaks of and was used extensively by the priesthood.

As an avid writer and reader I long to read some of Toms adventures, it would be so much fun. Tom, your a humerous man, please one day I would love to read "The hitchhikers guide to the Dimensions by TomC"!!!

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Blue,

First subject: How did you create the adult person that you are now along with your career and relationships? Did you plan out all the details ahead of time, say when you were 18 years old? Flowers and critters are made the same way -- trial and error, circumstance, a drive to improve their situation, and luck. They evolve just as your life has done -- one thing leads to another.

They start as potential within a system that can support them. That potential may or may not gel into a differentiated viable entity. The environment (rule-set) it is in and how it interacts with that environment determines what it eventually becomes — if anything.

Book 2 in general, and Chapter 29 in particular lays out the scenario for the larger consciousness forming a physical matter reality full of people, critters and flowers.

Second subject: one cannot lower one's entropy and evolve to a higher quality of being by having one’s virtual body swallow or inject something.

Third subject: One doesn't lower one's entropy and evolve to a higher quality of being by listening to what somebody else has experienced. Fantastic and entertaining as they may be, my experiences are of little Big Picture value to anyone else. You can only grow by way of your own experience, your own interactions, and by your own intent animating your own free will actions in whatever virtual reality frames you have managed to gain awareness in. My experiences would only burden you with another set of beliefs or expectations or biases. Though I would describe my experiences as accurately and carefully as I could, you do not have the experience to interpret them correctly. If you had such experience, you wouldn't have a need to hear about mine.

Grab those bootstraps, blue, it’s the only way up.

Tom C

thanks Tom

i hear ya! for someone with such vast experience you are very grounded Tom, compared to some people I have spoken to and read who mainly seek to experience endgame and leave.

Is it true that the earth is in a dark polarity influence compared to other 3d realities that are in a lighter experience?

Does this make it harder for us to lead spiritual lives?

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Orlando Blue

Seeker, observer, artist.

Blue,

My approach is more like science applied to a life's work than taking a carnival ride. Oh there is nothing wrong with carnival rides, I enjoy them as well, but there is more to existence than constant amusement and wow-thrills. At first, soaring through your neighborhood like a bird, or visiting another PMR, or taking a regular job in NPMR, or helping the newly deceased who are stuck make the transitions, or healing a friend, or getting involved in an NPMR political power play, sounds way cool, but eventually it becomes ordinary, then you see it as an opportunity to grow up as well as learn about the nature of the larger reality. At that point, opportunity and learning greatly accelerates. Carnival rides are usually fluff for the ego. One day you out grow them and find that other things are much more fun -- like helping people grow. It doesn't mean you have become serious, grouchy, anal, boring and no fun, just that your perspective changes.

Our PMR is darker than some other PMR reality frames and lighter than others. We have here in this PMR exactly what we have created. It represents us -- perfectly. It will lighten as we lighten. There is no outside "influence" dragging us as a group this way and that -- What you find here is the result of an inside job -- there may be outside influences on individuals but they always act out of their own free will and thus, in the end, represent the quality of themselves in their actions. Fear and ego are the handles by which one can be easily influenced to action — but responsibility remains with the actor.

Tom C

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