Telekinesis: I didn't see this specifically spelled out in MBT but is a side topic that interests me. I am sure that it can be explained within the framework of MBT.
As Tom states in his books, everything is consciousness. From you and me to a rock and "the proverbial dead doornail."
So, what would it take for an active and aware consciousness to influence a non-sentient form of consciousness, such as a rock, to move across the table? As stated by Tom, intent moves consciousness. The intent required to change our beliefs or our quality is the same intent that moves the rock.
If you begin seeing the world around us AS consiousness and understand that we are all part of the same consciousness then it doesn't seem quite as impossible as conventional science would have us think.
For example: If you close your eyes and imagine a rock sitting on a table, it takes little effort to see it sliding across the table or even lifting straight up into the air. In this personal and private world, it is no only do-able, but really easy. It would require a powerful and focused intent to influence the shared reality of PMR though. The collectively acknowledged rule-set of PMR makes this harder to accomplish. The psi uncertainty principle applies as well.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? This isn't something that I pursue on a regular basis but is simply brought up as, what I think, an interesting topic to dissect.

Ramon

Ramon,

I hate to appear to be on one track, but if you accept that PMR is a virtual reality, the experience of which is generated by the VRRE and that the rule set of PMR is not wholly as defined by science and common understanding, then telekinesis is very simple to explain. The VRRE simply generates the appropriate image of the rock moving within the consciousness of those present. The real question to me is how do you get the authority or develop the ability to request this of either the VRRE direct or someone with the necessary authority. Or you can create a slit in the fabric of apparent reality, step through it and appear elsewhere by the same basic mechanism. But you have to know how and have the authority or permission to do so.

These extended questions of ability and authority are the questions I am working on now. These things or equivalents happen by historical account, if you believe biblical or other religious sources. And is telekinesis a more difficult concept to explain than quantum anomalies? And what about miracles attributed to saints? Or just the spirit world activities of shamen, including their enabling the participation of others in the shared experience of a spirit canoe journey?

Ted

Ted: "I hate to appear to be on one track, but if you accept that PMR is a virtual reality, the experience of which is generated by the VRRE and that the rule set of PMR is not wholly as defined by science and common understanding, then telekinesis is very simple to explain."

That's basically the connection I was making when I decribed the thought experiment of moving the rock and how easy it was in your imagination. PMR is only a step away but the PMR rule set is in place. I also don't make much distinction between moving a rock and healing someone. Both are nonlocal effects precipitated by intent. Authority definitely seems to be granted at times. I have seen some very convincing videos of a Russian woman named Nina Kulagina doing PK. I first read about her in the book Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain which was written in the 60s or 70s I believe. There are many other examples out there of this ability.

Ramon

I have tried moving things with imagination and yes that was easy. I then tried to move it physically, nothing happened. Yet I have two experiences that I feel I could have caused something physical to move and both times there was no willing to move something, there was only agitation or fear. I believe they moved because of my state of mind. A state of mind that involved higher entropy not lower.

Experience 1: We were heading to my daughter's college graduation. I did not want to go because my back was hurting and I couldn't stand the thought of sitting on the bench. At that time the car stopped. Our car never stopped before then or after, several years later. We were on a deserted road that had just opened up. Even though it was deserted, a car mechanic came by and stopped to help us out. He couldn't find anything wrong with it and he left. My husband, who has rebuilt car engines, couldn't find anything wrong with it either. He then comes in the car and says something amazing to me, "Did you stop this car?" I then thought OMG what did I do? I started getting really scared thinking I would miss my daughter's graduation. My husband turned the starter and it started. This never happened again. My husband and I are both convinced that something strange happened that day. The fact an auto mechanic was the only other car on the road has always made me think, why an auto mechanic?

Experience 2: This is a bit strange. It was night. I was sleeping in my bed, my husband next to me. Although my physical body was in bed, I sensed I was by my window and for some reason I was agitated. The me I sensed by the window opened up the window shades. The noise of the window shades opening woke my husband and myself. He got up went to the window and pulled it down. He asked what happened? I told him I think I did it.

These experiences have always confused me because I don't understand how fear and agitation could make things like this happened. I thought it had to come from love and strong intention or focus.

Those are very interesting stories Lonnie.
Lonnie: "I believe they moved because of my state of mind. A state of mind that involved higher entropy not lower."

I believe this could be the case. It is similar to some explanations for poltergeists but to a lesser degree. Sometimes Poltergeists occur around young children often on the cusp of puberty when their emotional state is in flux. The manifestations are thought by some to be caused by the children, not a "noisy ghost" as the name implies. Perhaps the unorganized, uncontrolled emotions and thoughts of the person (which would be of high entropy) affect PMR creating uncontrolled and undirected events in the otherwise failry ordered nature of PMR.
If memory serves correctly, the russian lady mentioned early first experienced her telekinetic abilities while extremely angry. She was walking towards a cupboard and a jug slid to the edge of the shelf, fell, and shattered on the floor.
That these events are uncontrolled would argue for developing one's quality of consciousness and intent to bring these events to a more controlled state. A highly ordered and low entropy consciousness might have a similar ability to affect PMR through controlled intent. Healers would be an example. Instead of causing disorder, the low entropy consciousness decreases disorder, i.e. healing the disorganized state of a wound or illness.
Thanks for sharing your stories.

Ramon

Wow. I had something like this happen with a friend of mine and I three times. All three times the movement was associated with our fear of a particular situation. We thought a third unseen entity was was doing it. Perhaps it was really our selves! But this raises more questions than it answers. How could our fears drive a violation of PMR rules? No one else was present, other than ourselves, so psi uncertainty may have been lower for that, but there are still the problems of energy and maintaining the balance of energy of the overall system. Not to mention the problem of gathering and applying the energy needed for the effect. I know that a PK effect can be made to happen without violating the PMR rules, but the whole thing requires more work than just getting up and moving it yourself! And if the movement occurs because of some artifact of our fear, that's putting a lot of work into something without gain! All we got from it each time was nothing more than a "exclamation point" on the object of our fears.

Having said that, perhaps that was the point! For myself, I found later on that the fear itself was pointless! Coddling it only made things seem worse than they were, and we both lost sleep over it, and more.

Perhaps the PK event was so realavent to the fear because it's purpose WAS to point out the FEAR and nothing more.
I'm gonna have to chew on this gristle a bit before I swallow it!

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Most people are mostly good most of the time. - the Deefburger assumption of marginal probable personal state.

All,

Often, a personal experience of paranormal events (telekinesis, precognitive dreams, telepathy, etc.) that does not run afoul of psi uncertainty requirements because of the limited exposure, is "arranged" and thus allowed to flaunt the PMR rule set to provide the one (or few) experiencing it with a lesson. The lesson may be no more that to provide personal data that a larger reality exists. Such an experience opens the mind toward reality being larger and more complex than one previously thought and conditions the individual to be more open toward finding out, searching for truth, and thus eventually growing up. Those individuals who have a reasonably good potential to grow up a little in this lifetime are commonly nudged toward a growth path by such "arrangements".

If there is no point (the event has a low probability of leading to an decrease of the system's entropy), or the psi uncertainty principle is violated (which is essentially the same thing), then the paranormal event is disallowed. For example, making rocks fly in front of Randi seems to fall into this category (low probability of leading to a decrease of the system's entropy). So does you picking up a rock with your mind while alone in your house, or winning the lottery by paranormal cheating.

Tom