Wow this thing is still going on, much as before. Wow. Hi.


Will

Hi Will,
How's life?
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

It is my firsthand experience that when a "wow" is exhibited from one, that is a direct consequence of an occurrence not meeting expectations.

I still find myself exhibiting a 'wow' every so often, but less than in the past, as a result of continuing to internalize MBT.

So, what were your expectations ?

That's quite a good response. My expectation are hard to define, but they must have involved wanting to have seen some evident Evolution Away from Sameness/Forum/Internet as its been known pattern in recentish past. I'm not sure I read it thoroughly enough to conclude some sameness there, but my superconscious may have. You're sharp my friend.
Hi Bette. I'm good. Bette you may need a shift of circumstance.

Love,

Will

Circumstance yes, I concur. Thanks.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

I'm a newbie here. I've gotten to p196 in MBT, Awaking. I'm resisting the notion that AUO would have any impulse to evolve. Can any one help me? Why does the the "prime mover" move? Change for me implies time, yet AUO is prior to time and space?

Thanks,

Charles

Excellent question although I believe we don't/won't have a satisfying answer to it. Tom states in the trilogy that there are two assumptions he makes in the derivation of his TOE: That consciousness exists and that the Fundamental Process of evolution exists.

The following quote from page 182 sums his position on this nicely:

"I am not asking you to believe in the truth of these assumptions, nor to have faith in their correctness. I am not trying to start a religion here. These are the logical underpinnings of this Big Toe. They are the assumptions, assertions, logical premises upon which the structure of My Big Toe is built. My Big Toe is a model. Its usefulness, and the value of these assumptions, is based exclusively on its ability to explain the data - period!"

"...By the end of Section 6 you will have a much better idea about this reality model's usefulness, and the potential correctness of these assumptions."

Why these assumptions must be just that is explained in the book if you haven't seen it yet. Change occurs because of either internal pressures or external pressures. Perhaps it was external pressure from a reality larger than AUO that instilled the Fundamental Process of evolution in AUO but, being part of AUO, we cannot get outside of consciousness to see for ourselves the whys and hows of it all.

I hope this somewhat satisfies your query.

Ramon

Charles,

Ramon said it well.

Time, according to MBT, was created, or came to be, as a result of that fundamental process of evolution. Time is an integral part of change and that is exactly why it came to be.

Just for the sake of discussion, imaging AUO saying, "I sure would like to grow. I have this weird drive inside to become more organize and better... If only there was a way to be over there and then look back at where I was before. Then I could see a difference, a change. Eureka! I need time. Now If I could just interact with others to help me gain experience and learn... To bad it is just me. Wait a minute I can break myself up into pieces and interact with myself. Brilliant! Hmmm, now just where the heck am I going to do all of this. I need some sort of area or space to interact in."

Of course this is just a silly metaphor to describe the basic concept, but hopefully you see what I mean.

One thing that helped me with this concept was to ask myself, why do I seek growth and change? What is it that is moving or driving me toward evolution (lower entropy.... love)?

I'm on my second read and still absorbing it all (and realizing new concepts that I missed). Keep on keepin on my friend. Things will start clicking as you go. And the forum of course is a great tool along the way.

You might want to search the forum for other threads about AUO and space time. There are some really informative threads to read around here (old and new).

Hope that helped some.

Welcome.

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Charles,

Before there was 'time' which is the perception of change by a conscious being, there was yet change. This was the change of state of the developing digital consciousness system. State by state of reality cells, the pre consciousness system developed toward consciousness in the Bootstrapping process that Tom describes. There are inherent drives towards particular developments that are inherent to the nature of our reality which drives change towards the necessary developments for consciousness to arise. Look for this in your reading and I think that you will see how this fits.

Ted

Hi Charles and welcome,
Good observation. I found myself comparing AUO becoming AUM, to a simple cell becoming a more organized complex cell and, strangely enough, I imagined AUM dividing in much the same manner as cellular division. This model worked for me, also, because it fit into the fractal pattern of digital reality that I have come to know and love, lol

Also, from my understanding, There was a much different (irregular) form of time, not the precise measurement that we have become accustomed to


peace
patrick

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peace
patrick

Thank you for your responsiveness to my question! What a wonderful resource this forum is. I return to the text with a warm glow from your kind attention!!!

Charles

Harvard class of '77 though I didn't get my degree until 1980, and then went for an MBA...
Here's my quibble: This is not the best of all posible worlds! MBT Awakening p.201: "Isn't it neat how the imperative of the Fundamental Process creates evolutionary pressure that delivers whatever is most profitable to the evolving organism?"

Biological systems are not optimal systems. Biological systems just have to be good enough... Human knees, The appendix, and the many deficiencies in the way Homo Sapiens reason (Mr Campbell gives a great exposition of some of these!) are datum my Theory of Everything will have to explain.

Charles,
I look forward to further updates. New perspectives are always refreshing

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peace
patrick

I think you took "most profitable" to mean best of all possible "world" when it is the profitability of the learning lab that the Fundemental Process "needs" to be there to keep delivering the container for Consciousness to use long enough for any adaptations to occur which support the continuation of the container. Humans with the large Decision Space just are VERY useful in creating data to process into more useful data on how to BE Love. Biological systems just have to adapt, right?
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

Bette, I took "Most Profitable" to mean optimal. Seems like you are saying that AUO and "Fundamental Process" imply a teleological goal: Figuring out how to be love. If this is so, help me undersand. I don't think biological systems HAVE to do anything. The common drives seem to be status, reproduction, and survival...

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