Ah, predestined, that would require us be in a deterministic Reality with no free will. Things are caused, but NOT determined, so I would not use the term "predestined" in my model. We are very close; isn't this fun? :)
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I infer from some comments Tom makes that the difficulty is somewhat intentional, and acts as a filter, a test.

This information is not suited for all audiences, and is optimized for science professionals who have a spiritual leaning, but are uncomfortable with religion.

For the rest of us, it is tough slogging.

The short form of all this is don't be a jerk, and there is this big model explaining why this is important

A large part of this is the development of a language to discuss spiritual matters with non religious or non poetic terminology

The other part is about visiting heaven (non physical material reality) rather than having faith in it

Pretty intriguing stuff, especially if it is true

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Maybe the word "predestined" is too strong. How about a "life script" in the experience packet that we as a FWAU are able to either follow or deviate from. And sort of like a video game, depending on how well we follow our "path" would depend on how we "score" during our lifetime in PMR and then we decide if we need to enter another LEP to try again. I don't know Bette, does that make any sense?

Yes hallux, that makes sense. :)
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I have a vague recollection of Tom mentioning another FWAU, currently existing I think, who is his backup, in case he does not do what he is supposed to do.

I think that's how it was expressed. Anyone else recall this...like in one of the videos?

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I remember Robert Monroe, in one of his books mentioning that he had a "backup" in case he didn't complete his mission :-)....but I don't remember Tom mentioning this in MBT.

Also, speaking of Monroe....does anyone remember reading in Monroe's last book (I believe it was his last book) when he requested (while "OOB") a "guide" to take him to the "most evolved person" currently living in this physical reality.....and he was "taken" to a man living in an apartment who was a professor (if I remember right.) Monroe invited this man to visit his Institute (The Monroe Institute), and this man indicated he would (again, if I remember right, this man indicated "organization" was an area of his expertise)...and Monroe asked if he would recognize him physically when he visited the Institute....and the man said he doubted it...and Monroe concluded that "he'd wished he'd taken up the bet"...which left me with the impression the man had come to the Institute and Monroe recognized him. Anyway, I was just curious if anyone remembered reading this, and if so, had any thoughts on who this man might be given he told Monroe (or Monroe somehow knew) that he had lived for many, many years (if I remember right, Monroe wrote that he had been in the same physical body for hundreds of years.)
Just curious......and maybe this was simply Monroe's metaphor for something...who knows, but curious if anyone else remembers reading this and what your thoughts are.

It would not surprise me if the person had the last name of Louis, and had a person Starr Farish write about them in "Words From the Source II), as well as Brad Steiger in a book called, "Words From the Source."
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Yes, that makes sense, it was likely Monroe I was recalling, though the reference supports the idea of a contract, sort of, none the less

Ultimate journey, page 50 I think, for the second subject

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[quote]It would not surprise me if the person had the last name of Louis, and had a person Starr Farish write about them in "Words From the Source II), as well as Brad Steiger in a book called, "Words From the Source."
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Thanks Bette! I will have to check this out -- I am not familiar with this person or these books!

And Tom might have mentioned it as well and I simply don't remember it...but this is an interesting topic (not sure if this is the right forum)....it makes me wonder how many have backups? A few....would be my guess (verses many...)

I may be extrapolating here but, as I understand it, AUM partitioned a portion of itself and then many portions of itself. and they, in turn, started creating portions of themselves. We may be the creation of the 4th generation or we may be the 1,000,000th (all being at different levels of evolution) a single IUOC may create many FWAUs. There may in fact be hundreds or even thousands of pieces of my consciousness running around here in this PMR (or in others as well) We all might be pieces of a larger self and this larger self may have divided into 2 incarnations or a thousand. since we are all parts of AUM, we are all one anyway, we all posess the potential of the whole.



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Patrick,

Try this model instead. Just stick with AUM creating many IUOCs. There are good reasons to consider that these are inherent/natural divisions within AUM based upon the nature of pure mathematics as discovered within PMR, but that is a matter for later/elsewhere. There are not many generations of these IUOCs in the sense of their further subdividing themselves. There is a continuous creation of new IUOCs and existing IUOCs may contribute to that creation by supplying 'code' and data, along with other IUOCs contributing to a single new IUOC. Not like DNA or like PMR parents but like modeled from themselves directly and there can be many 'parents' contributing code and data. This is more like writing a new, large computer program based on combining existing smaller subprograms and data stashes. This is in no way like the 'sexual reproduction' with DNA sharing of PMR. Remember, digital consciousness.

There are going to be many FWAUs for a given IUOC, over time. But these are not divisions split off and continuing on. There is normally, based upon time as primary AUM delta t system state cycles, only one FWAU which participates in an NPMR existence that is continuing. There are periodically additional FWAUs created to experience a PMR experience packet for the accelerated developmental rate that is possible within PMRs. These are the Patricks and the Randys and the Teds and etc. of this PMR. These are not independent FWAUs but sub sets of the base code that is our IUOC. These FWAUs return to their IUOC and any gains as entropy reduction and QoC improvement are continuously shared with the IUOC as the FWAU is just a subset of the IUOC code and data. Any particularly advantageous personality aspects and skills of a given FWAU from a PMR experience packet may continue within the 'library' of the IUOC and may be reused on subsequent PMR excursions like a library of subroutines in a programming environment.

More than one PMR FWAU from a given IUOC may exist at one time, in order to speed up development, but one is the norm. That FWAU that experiences NPMR is normally continuous and alone for a given IUOC. An FWAU experiencing PMR may visit and briefly experience other PMRs, this PMR as an OOBE or one or more NPMRs but while still remaining that same FWAU passing its experience through its basic PMR mold and filter for its experience or data stream. That data stream is all that such experience or any experience is.

This is Tom's basic model and my best understanding. Not what you were describing.

Ted

the backup thingy may be associated with a specific highly significant mission, such as creating TMI

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Chris,

Robert Monroe's stories should not be taken literally. All of them his personal interpretation of his experiences and more likely are metaphors, than just a rendering of what he 'heard or saw'.

Lena

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I can see it like that since our actual Higher Self IS One Consciousness having split itself into all sentient beings which are experincing "life" at this time, or any time.
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Bette

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