Hey Guys,

I wanted to start this thread for anyone interested in spontaneous healing of disease.
I know we have the healing swat team thread and some others that are quite informative but I felt that this valuable motivational information deserved it's own thread.

Brushes with diease are nearly always accompanied with deep depressions and feelings of failure so hopefully this thread will be a guiding light to anyone who is suffering from depression as a result of a new or lingering health problem.

Here are two awesome stories of the seeming power of the mind over disease,hopefully some of you will also know of other examples and share them here.

Thank you.

Brandon bays eliminating a basketball size tumour from her abdomen without surgical intervention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9uaAVi6OI


Dr Joe dispenza rebuilding his shattered spine without surgery after crashing his bicycle into a truck during a triathalon race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neCbipAKfuM

Love,
Wayno

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Thank you Wayno! If people could believe more in longevity and less in disease, I think that's what we'd get!

I'm fed up with hearing how my near vision needs to get bad now because I am over 40 and my hearing will go eventually and the rest of my teeth will probably drop out of my mouth and eventually I will get arthritis and/or osteoporosis, just for making it to a ripe old age.

Just because it's happened to a lot of other people before me, does not necessarily mean it has to happen to me. If I believe I can be happy and healthy and vital and youthful well into my hundreds or two hundreds, who would dare to tell me no? No one has ever had the thoughts and beliefs I hold about the mind's power as compared to the body's vulnerabilities.

Well maybe the mind isn't the right word, but someone here should know what I mean.

I know there are Bruce Lipton people on this board, I can't articulate it the way Bruce can so I will just shut up and hope people go search for some links of him, he's all over YouTube.

Love,
Lynda

Lynda, I totally agree with you.
Expectation has so much to do with it, I believe. If we expect to be well we will, if we expect to be unwell then we will.
What we need to do is find something which we believe in and which creates in us the expectation of being well. That "something" is not always going to be the same thing for everyone.
I am a firm believer in the power of the human body to heal itself when it is allowed to. Sometimes we might need specific tools to help us get to the point of allowing. Whatever works for you, works for you. We don't always need to know or understand how or why it works.

Wayno, thanks for these links. There are many excellent interviews on Conscioustv.
Iain Mcnay, who is here interviewing Joe Dispenza, wrote a book in 1991 which I have just finished reading. It's called "Close Encounters. A Journal of Spiritual Discovery and Adventure". Apparently Iain's wife, Renate has the ability to heal people.

Love Carole.

Thank you Carole. This ties in with so much of what I've learned about Big Pharma and how it operates, the "Powers that Be" (or as Clif High in his Shape of Things to Come reports has taken to calling them the "Powers that WERE") wanting us to remain oblivious to our own capabilities and "powers", and these beliefs people have of scary things or other people "jumping out of the bushes" (coming in to their sphere of awareness) and doing bad things like giving them unwanted diseases or even killing them.

Disease and death is such a random thing, it's hard to say what brings it on, but in a lot of cases it seems to me, just thinking makes it so.

Maybe I've studied too much Abraham-Hicks, they tell me all the time, "There is no such thing as death" (it is an illusion). Neale Donald Walsch says pretty much the same thing in his series of books.

I think that is true to a degree. But we are still constrained by the rules of the VR. My father thought he was perfectly healthy until he felt a lump under his jaw when he was 44 years old. He had just had a physical 2 months before that and told he was perfectly healthy. He died of lung cancer 2 years later. He certainly didn't think up his cancer. He was happily married with two kids working in a job he loved. Unfortunately he was exposed to a lot of second hand smoke.

You may be one of those rare people that can live an unhealthy life style and get away with it. But that is not the norm.

I'm not talking about thoughts but beliefs. What did he believe? Did he think he might be subjected to random events jumping out of the bushes at him? Did he have a lot of fear? Shows how much the "Doctors" know.
But did he believe second hand smoke could harm him? Did he know about the study that got disproved after it had already made its way into all the "official" journals? I'd suggest anyone who believes there is some kind of harm from breathing in somebody else's smoke stay away from it. If you think it can hurt you, it MOST CERTAINLY WILL.
I assume you are referring to my smoking in your judgment that I am living an unhealthy lifestyle. So you believe smoking will shorten my life? How many buses have you ridden behind in city traffic? Ever breathe in those exhaust fumes? Ever study what it might be doing to you?

My dad and grannddad, both lifetime smokers, did not die until AFTER they had quit, both around the age of 90. Who knows how short or long their lives would have been, had they not given in to the societal pressure and prejudice they were subjected to?

My cousin who died of lung cancer never smoked a day in his life and as far as I know was never around it. I wonder if he breathed in exhaust from buses or maybe he was near a printing store. Two friends of mine who used to own a print shop now have Emphysema and Cancer, even though they both quit smoking and no longer own the shop.

If you research the longest living people in history, you will find many of them were smokers, cigar or cigarette. IMO stress kills, and smoking relieves stress.

So as "unhealthy" as you think my choices may be, Linda, they are working for me. I'm rarely sick, have lots of energy, don't eat or sleep if I don't have a need to, exercise regularly, eat little sugar and floss my teeth. I'm sorry you think these things I do to take care of myself equate to an "unhealthy lifestyle" in your judgment.

Love,
Lynda

Edit: Here you go: http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton ... oldest.htm

"The Scottish Daily Record (12/15/97) reported on Ivy Leighton, 100, who smoked 20 cigarettes a day for 84 years, but cut down somewhat after her 100th birthday. April claimed smoking was the key to her long life."

"Britain's oldest man, George Cook, died at 108 in his sleep in September, l997. He "smoked heavily for 85 years before giving up tobacco at the age of 97," ("World Briefs," Houston Chronicle, 9/29/97)."

"MILTON BERLE 1908-2002
'Mr. Television' dies at 93
Comedian was king of Tuesday night in TV's early days
His trademark cigar rarely left his hand. In an interview two years ago, Berle said he'd smoked cigars since he was 12. "I figure if George Burns can smoke 20 cigars a day his whole life and live to be 100, why should I worry if they're bad for me?"

No my father did not live with fear. He had cheated death quite a few times in his youth. He was a squadron leader of a B17 squad in WWII at 24 years old. He bombed Germany from England and had many close calls. He and my mother were as close to soul mates as I've ever seen. We were at a very happy time in our lives. I think he never gave his health a second thought until he felt that lump.

No one had any knowledge of second hand smoke then - this was 1965.

You can bring up exceptions with anything. But it is not the norm for smokers to live to a healthy old age - it is the exception. I will tell you that my mom was an R.N. for over 30 years. The nurses used to call smokers "old lungers" because of the variety of health problems smokers came into the hospital with.

Smoking causes death.

The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.2,3
More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.2,4
Smoking causes an estimated 90% of all lung cancer deaths in men and 80% of all lung cancer deaths in women.1
An estimated 90% of all deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease are caused by smoking. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statist ... g_smoking/


I don't want to make judgements on your life style Lynda. We are all trying to do better as we know better. I have had my own unhealthy habits over the years. I do like and respect Lipton but there are constraints in this VR we are living in. If belief is the only constraint then why does Tom advocate a clean diet for a clearer consciousness? Surely he of all people could eat, drink, and smoke anything he wanted if belief were the only constraint.

Hey Lynda

Your absolutly right!!! we shouldn't accept our fate....in my view anyway.lol

Here is an account of a people called the Hunza people who I read recently have had men live to 150 years old,living to 120 years old isn't exceptional in Hunza life!!There are accounts of healthy males fathering children at 90+ years old and a population with virtually no disease.
These people have been studies for many many years and have been found to be nothing special genetically.

The Hunza have now started to decline in health since we (improved) the one time mostly impassible road into their village and started improving and enriching their diets with processed foods....You are correct in guessing the Hunza people are not so long lived now? :(

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

Have fun!!

Love,
Wayno

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In a slightly different context, I believe that Tom somewhere mentioned that especially fast and dramatic healing effects are observed when the presenting condition isn't a planned part of the person's learning schedule.... for instance if you have an accident or get exposed to some disease and the life conditions these events bring about retard rather than accelerate (or provide the space for acceleration) your growth AND there is intent out there to heal that event, then dramatic and quick result are pretty likely in that no other intent opposes the healing.

-Montana

I think disease has to be part of most peoples learning experience whether "planned" by the system or not?

What we learn from the experience and how we respond to all aspects of the situation is the most important thing,we can learn more from disease and what it tells us about ourselves and our relationships to others more than almost anything else in PMR?
It's what we do with the experience that's important,We can learn so much from getting well but we also learn from not making it back?

Disease is part of this PMR so at some point we have to face up to this and all of it's challenges, lets all make sure we don't leave this situation with any work undone or any new learnings undiscovered. :)


Love,
Wayno

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Actually, being Alive causes Death.

Perhaps Tom believes things can cloud his consciousness, and so they do.

It's all virtual, remember?

I'm sorry, I'm just really tired of the collective consciousness having been so polluted by ulterior motives of doctors, drug companies, and supposedly "charitable" organizations.

I'm fed up with having to defend my choices and my actions and my beliefs, and from literally having been Kicked to the Curb as a smoker in my home state.

Linda, it's nothing personal against you. I just think you were raised by a nurse who may have made you see things through a certain filter I simply do not share. I'm sorry about your dad.

Love,
Lynda

It is not how long you live, but how you live. Healing could be a part of your lesson, as well as a bad health or a trauma. I wouldn't bet on a long living or being healthy only. Everything could be turned into a lesson. Some people come into this life to make their short run to help others to learn compassion, Love and help them to grow. Living gracefully with uncertainty is one of Tom's advices. None of us can say for sure how soon they will die, because death can be caused by the ill health, a natural disaster, a car accident or something else. What is good for me could be bad for others and vice versa. One of the lessons is overcoming your attachment to your opinion, because your opinion is your another belief, and belief prevents you from growing and reducing entropy.

Lena

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Societal pressure and to shut people up. My aunt was asked by my mom before she passed to please try to get me to quit, and she is now nearing ninety herself and I will see her in July, so I thought it would be nice if she felt like she accomplished her mission, and guilted me into setting a quit date.

Having set my quit date allows me to play both sides of the fence. I am now a soon-to-be-ex-smoker. Society made me this way, not me.

It's funny actually, ironic I should say, because I started due to peer pressure, as well.

I doubt I will ever become a militant anti-smoker like so many unhappy ex-smokers who actually just seem jealous. There are tolerant antis and intolerant antis, and ex-smokers are the worst breed of intolerant antis in my experience so far, with a few notable exceptions. My plan is to be a tolerant ex-smoker, to try to give ex-smokers a better name with the smokers. And as much as I plan to be an advocate for them after I quit, the least I could do is start (finally) sticking up for myself now.

Intolerance of any kind just feels divisive to me, and like separation. I prefer unity to exclusivity. Being a nonsmoker will make me more socially acceptable to those of you who have been brainwashed by the ones who find it so important for you to now believe exactly as you do :)

Love,
Lynda

Lynda,

yes, customs and culture of society are present. On a bigger picture your world is your mirror. When one is irritated or affected by what others think about one's life style, this is not so much thinking of others, but one's own fear triggers all small and big buttons of one's ego to react and being unhappy with what somebody thinks. Most likely one has to turn to him/herself and learn why am I so unhappy with what other people do or think? If one is content with his/her life, thoughts or acts of others cannot be a bother or a cause of irritation.

Lena

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