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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:17 pm 
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If anyone tells me that they are bored, I tell them its because they are not paying attention. If you are fully aware and fully participating in each moment you will realize that there are NO ordinary moments.
Patrick,

this observation comes from my six year experience dealing with the elderly people. Some of them rich, and some are poor. Some have a very good education, and some didn't finish a high school. Some of them have children and grandchildren, and some have nobody. Some are religious, and some have lost all their beliefs. Even those, who are still interested in more, than just gossiping, can take it with a huge moderation. I am not talking about those, who have memory problems or Alzheimer's. This is the elderly people, who live long enough, 80- 85-92.

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I care less for a marriage certificate. I will not go into my story in details, but my marriage certificate is not 40 years old.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:44 pm 
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I don't know whether Rudyard Kipling made it up for the story in which he included it as introduction or pulled it out of his experiences in India, but: "When Man and Woman are agreed, what can the Kazi do? Mahomedan Proverb." It sounds like true wisdom to me.

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... I have some difficult people or things to face. ... I practice every day to realize the truth. The unity of all things. That everything I see, I am a part of it and it is a part of me. It fills me with a sense of wonder and awe.
I'm sorry about your difficulty. What makes them difficult? Sometimes someone can see someone else as "difficult" when all they need is to be understood or appreciated.

If you recognize unity, then these people are in your life for a reason, they are a part of you, and your mirror. Have you been acting "difficult" with anyone lately?


Yes, Lynda,
You are, of course, correct. The people that are the most unpleasant to deal with might be the best source of growth. But you cannot always have much positive affect upon an irate client that is yelling and cursing. But, I always say- It is under intense pressure and heat that a piece of coal becomes a diamond. (*side note* Recently, and maybe ironically, I discovered that an even harder diamond is formed in the absence of pressure and extreme cold of space) so every interaction is another oportunity for practice, and the more I practice the more instant the feedback.
I never said I was perfect. I'm still practicing. My current job has me dealing directly with a lot of people that are full of fear (I am working for a lawyer, so every case is like "life and death"). High entropy (fearfull) people are much easier to recognize and deal with when I am fully focused in the moment. Oneness is only experienced in the "NOW". Being fully present requires discipline and a lot of practice. When Im not fully "present" in the "now" I can be caught off balance and I can get rattled, I admit (im only human, lol). It could be something as slight as rolling my eyes in frustration, but if that happens I instantly feel bad. I call it "instant Karma". I have been practicing this discipline for quite some time now, Some days I do it really well, others not as well. But I do see improvement, with practice we get more proficient at everything.

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If there is something to be fearful of, I don't think it is a sign of high entropy to do so. Our "justice" system is very unfair, arbitrary, and fixed.
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If there is something to be fearful of, I don't think it is a sign of high entropy to do so. Our "justice" system is very unfair, arbitrary, and fixed.
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I agree that there are times when fear is apropriate. And the court has nothing to do with justice. A lawyer once told me that "Its not a court of justice, its a court of law" The law is arbitrary and it changes all the time. Sometimes it seems there are different rules for different people.
But of the most fearfull people I see, their fear has nothing to do with facing prosecution. Even some of the lawyers I see are full of unnecessary fear. Fear is like an epidemic these days. Or so it seems to me.

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In a part 2 of last videos Tom talks about fear being present in other PMRs as well. I think, that fear is a major factor in PMR learning process. Once you are able to become free of one of your fears, you become aware of a tremendous advantage of this freedom. To me this is the best way to progress, to make another step to an awareness of freedom.

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I wonder if the root issue is boredom with life, and having an affair is an easy distraction to break the monotony.
Who could ever be bored with LIFE? Yikes, if you find life on planet earth a "boring existence", I am sorry but you probably shouldn't be here.
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I think a lower entropy person would rather find a project to improve their credentials or start a small side business, build an improvement to the house, organize a big trip, start some sort of charity initiative, take up a musical instrument, ...something that generates some excitement and novelty
Like any of that generates more novelty or excitement than being with a new partner for the first time. Come on Randy, are you kidding me?
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What works for me is extreme conservatism with my marriage, career and investments, and with everything else I am a complete dilettante, rapidly moving from one hobby, project or dream to another
Thank you for sharing, I feel like I've read that somewhere before.

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what can happen when the left hemisphere and discipline muscles completely dominant the primal and creative elements is an overly orderly life protected by insurance and pension plans and government guaranteed term deposits and redundant fail-safes, which magnifies itself if this trait operates over several generations mutually reinforcing each other - which inevitably leads to a state of boredom, and the antidote is to self modify and start intentionally rebalancing, revisiting impulsiveness carefully and opening up to NPMR and so called spiritual or creative matters...getting in touch with your inner biker or inner flake.

Forbes (magazine) senior was an interesting example of this...millionaire pillar of society who embraced the biker lifestyle and hot air ballooning

So much of life turns on how you respond to stress (boredom being one variation), the fundamental choice of reaching for something wholesome that will stop the downward spiral, or if you reach for something self destructive that will be fun for the moment or a few months, but will lead to further complications, not only on a practical level, but as well draw down your QoC bank account if you harm others in the process.

There is no question that novel sex with a new partner is the crack cocaine of self indulgence as well as its travelling companion, infatuation, the question is if it is worth the price.

What we are talking about is the sustainability of pleasure, maximizing pleasure over your lifetime, or even broadening this to maximizing pleasure for your family line - ie. someone might decide to make a painful emmigration so that the lives of their children might be better.

But as well, this pleasure that we are maximizing is a balancing act between R-complex pleasures of the moment, left hemispheric pleasures of accomplishment and investing in the future, and most importantly, the gift that keeps on giving, the pleasure of increasing our QoC "credit rating".

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Lynda: "Like any of that generates more novelty or excitement than being with a new partner for the first time. Come on Randy, are you kidding me? "

I have gotten more excitement and novelty from my piano, and it continues to grow, sometimes much more joy from a simple song than some of my first sexual encounters with brand new partners.

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music is a free gift from AUM with all upside and no downside (unless you try to make a living from it!)

music is mysterious and NPMR...there is no evolutionary reason why it should exist

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music is mysterious and NPMR...there is no evolutionary reason why it should exist

I suspect that ultimately music arose from shamanic drumming and then rattling and then . . . Resonance between our PMR bodies/nervous systems and the gamut of instruments, not to mention vocals.

Thus you have your mysterious NPMR connection.

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As far as this VR, I think of marriage like training wheels like Hemi-Sync (R) is to accessing the LCS, I suppose. Real Love based long term relationships have nothing to do with "marriage" because marriage is contrived. Just as we as a species in this VR are Evolving out of other major Belief Systems used (for good or bad) to attempt to control the masses; we are also Evolving out of the need, as well as the model having become inefficient with more harm than worth like many other old laws to more and more people it too is losing its mysticism, out of this "institution." A piece of paper doesn't mean anything REALLY, it is each Consciousness involved that has meaning for the choices. It's nice if you want to freely do it, and all, but as a social norm it isn't doing it anymore, and not required in its current form, imo.
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all of civilization is a contrivance to constrain ourselves against our primal urges and against each other to create order and efficiency.

the unconstrained life is only possible when someone else is paying the bills

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Lena wrote:
pgtrue wrote:
If anyone tells me that they are bored, I tell them its because they are not paying attention. If you are fully aware and fully participating in each moment you will realize that there are NO ordinary moments.
Patrick,

this observation comes from my six year experience dealing with the elderly people. Some of them rich, and some are poor. Some have a very good education, and some didn't finish a high school. Some of them have children and grandchildren, and some have nobody. Some are religious, and some have lost all their beliefs. Even those, who are still interested in more, than just gossiping, can take it with a huge moderation. I am not talking about those, who have memory problems or Alzheimer's. This is the elderly people, who live long enough, 80- 85-92.

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any exposure to the "old" is great data
I Love you Randy, but the world is not flat, and other "old" data like that is bad data. The older data is, the more questionable as error or assumption it is, to me, to a point. The LCS is good data, and very "old", but this is the exception.
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kroeran wrote:
any exposure to the "old" is great data
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I Love you Randy, but the world is not flat, and other "old" data like that is bad data. ... The LCS is good data, and very "old", but this is the exception.
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Good bad right and wrong are judgments. We should say things like (E-Prime as mentioned by Edge in NC or non violent communication by Marshall B. Rosenberg) "I feel this is bad" or "I think this is bad" or "In my opinion this is bad".

Bad is a judgment, and judgment, like everything, is personal and subjective.

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