I feel there is also some form of meditative properties within the "beat" or in the melody. It seems to bring the mind into focus on the present moment, where all good things exist (Love, happiness, contentment, oneness, bliss)

I feel that this is why music may have started with a primitive man hitting a hollow log with a rock and evolved into elaborate compositions we have today. It encourages "Oneness" unity, joy...

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peace
patrick

There is no music in NPMR?
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

the old have the benefit of seeing how things work out

the young are all in a beta test, especially those who ignore or despise tradition

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

Randy, we aren't talking about FWAU, I wasn't anyway, we are talking about old Belief Systems and outdated social norms, right? Old paradigms change hard, but they do change. It is NOT disrespectful, nor is there hate or despising involved with knowing the old ways are no longer what we are about today.

Having the data, the history is free for the looking Randy, and that is how we know how things worked out using the old ways, and that is not age dependent Randy. Old people aren't the only ones that have access to how things have been, and it is time for a change. We need new traditions Randy that are based on cooperation rather than forced BS. It does NOT mean anything to you and your marriage, or your life because you can just roll along with the change, watching it. No one is going to come into your home and make you do things you despise, don't worry.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
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Consciousness.

Bette,

Just because MBT may be true doesn't mean that someone can't jump into it and parrot simple ideas just like any other belief system advocate.

And that is what you have done: Turned it, for yourself, into a sort of brainless belief system. Your constant parroting of one-liners reminds me of the wrecked third generation marxists that you saw back in the '70's. "Workers of the World Unite!" "It's the system Man!" "Off the pigs man!" When questioned at all what their thinking behind what the said was, they would get defensive. They would get strident. They would get judgmental. And they were perfectly sure that they were right, and that the hand of God (or have what you will) was resting on their shoulder as they told everyone else what was what. Mostof them had never even read Marx, and even if they did, not enough to understand him well, and at any rate, certainly did not practice socialist principles in their lives.

You sound just like them. And Your statements regularly betray an emotion that is decidedly different from that which is represented by the word 'love' typically found over your name.

And it puts people off.

-Montana

It is an example of what *I* do in the face of bad behavior in a group setting that has resisted other more moderate attempts at correction.


Bad behavior shouldn't be ignored or tolerated. That has been tried with a number of visitors, and the result is generally that if they don't get responded to, the behavior gets worse.

Bette's remarks and tone with a number of board members over the last few days has been decidedly sour. She may well be having a hard time with personal issues, and we all have our bad periods, and I have tried to be sympathetic and supportive. However she is offending people, annoying others, putting still others off completely. There are lots of boards out there that DO tolerate that sort of thing. Stop and visit a few and see if you would like this board to be like those.

-Montana

-Montana

I'm fine Montana, I'm just serious, and to the point because I care about the people. It's none of my business what other's think of me. There is back ground you do not understand.
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

Bette,

I have to agree with Montana.

It is OK to disagree with each other. This is a place for all of us to grow, but not to be reprimanded, because we think differently or have a different kind of belief system. We all have our personal belief systems, and one is not better, than another. Nobody is forcing Christianity or their cultural preferences on you, me, or anybody else. We need to accept, that we all have a different background, life experience and belief systems as well. If it feels wrong for anybody, it means this is time to look at one self and see, why this simple conversation brings up in me a desire to fight for 'a right cause'?

I'd like to repeat, that a world is our mirror. I think, I've told this here already, but anyhow, I'll try to be short, and say it again.

I had a lady-client. She was living in an assistant living facility, and staff didn't like her very much. She was very demanding, seldom grateful, and all other characteristics of hers, that made her so unlikable. I had 10 hours shift with her three days a week. We were getting along well, and it wasn't too much for me to do. I was reading my book most of the time, and it was OK with her. I cannot say, that I was irritated by her behavior, but I wasn't pleased either. After four months or so, one day I put my book aside and looked at her, as I would see her for a first time. All over sudden a very unpleasant thought did cross my mind. She was a copy of my bad sides, not all of them, but many of them were exact match. I was shocked, because I never thought of her as a my mirror. So, she was a very good one. In less than a month she had to move to another place, and I've never seeing her again.

I had more than one chance to see, that as long as I am repeating my mistakes, I am getting new scenario, worse, than a previous one, to be a part of and learn my lesson. As soon as I could see, a! that's what it is! I would be free of this lesson. Another will be waiting for me, and no brake allowed.

Lena

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Lena,
That story is very deep and profound, and full of rich insight.
Thank you for sharing it

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peace
patrick

If you go back far enough you might see that it is not the old data that is flawed, it is the old INTERPRETATION of the data that is flawed. I have done some study of the old "mythologies" and "religions" and in my research, I have found many connections within the old SOURCES of religion and mythologies. They overlap so much as to become almost inseparable.

I stand by my opinion that there is MUCH wisdom to be discovered, hidden, within the ancient texts. And I encourage everyone to go back and look again with the new perspective gained from MBT. You may be surprised at how different the old symbols look with "new eyes"

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peace
patrick

I know! I recently learned that the Nazi thing, symbol, went back even further than I had already learned about from studying this stuff, and "probably" represents what I and others call the Zero Point Energy (ZPE) field (ZPF) concept. It is easy from there to understand WHY this symbol was picked to represent this ultimate source of energy in that regime because control came/comes easily when energy is controlled. Control of energy=power.

Data is just data, interpreting it is personal. Is there any new data in the system Patrick? Could there be new ideas? I think the consensus Reality can use some new ideas. It could be that everything has already been tried, and any attempt to change paradigms is a futile exercise, but I think not. :)
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

A new paradigm is inevitable. Awareness is sweeping across the planet. the fear-mongers sense the end of their thousand years of darkness. The new consciousness is growing from the ground up. its not the data that is flawed its the perception of the data. The new Paradigm is not NEW information, It may well be very old but we can only now, perceive it. It was here all along, right under our collective noses.
There is an old saying "Be careful not the throw out the baby with the bathwater". The old information is still good. People have sifted through the old data and discovered the truth. People have written down road maps and left them for us to find and decipher. Tom C. was not the first, nor will he be the last, to discover the true nature of this Absolute Unbounded Oneness that became Absolute Unbounded Manifold. He just uses new and different Metaphors to describe the very old truth. Joseph Campbell - my other favorite Campbell- says:
Whatever your fate is, whatever the hell happens, you say, “This is what I need.” It may look like a wreck, but go at it as though it were an opportunity, a challenge. If you bring love to that moment—not discouragement—you will find the strength there. Any disaster you can survive is an improvement in your character, your stature, and your life. What a privilege!! This is when the spontaneity of your own nature will have a chance to flow. Then, when looking back at your life, you will see that the moments which seemed to be great failures, followed by wreckage, were the incidents that shaped the life you have now. You’ll see this is really true. Nothing can happen to you that is not positive. Even though it looks and feels at the moment like a negative crisis, it is not. The crisis throws you back, and when you are required to exhibit strength, it comes.

"Participate joyfully in the sorrows of the world. We cannot cure the world of sorrows, but we can choose to live in joy.
Joseph Campbell

It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.
Joseph Campbell

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patrick

Patrick,

well said.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

Change is constant, there is NEW information Patrick, but I don't need you to agree or even understand although it would be nice since you understand a lot of other stuff similarly to my understanding. It is what makes life interesting though, our own puzzle picture with the pieces that make each unique. It is also why I know that it takes community to solve big problems because we DON"T all have all of the information organized in the same patterns. We have overlap, we have rough edges that somehow with effort, sometimes with ease just line up smoothly while together perhaps creating something NEW by synthesis. Those ragged edges with that chaotic permeability that ALLOWS this synthesis, which could be a requirement for this growth, that are able to come together with effort or ease may be where we are right NOW.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.