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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:10 pm 
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I stumbled upon the mbt-forum series on youtube. Many interesting ideas that agree with my experiences.

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I'm in my late twenties now. When I was in my early twenties I discovered NLP (neuro linguistic programming) and read all I could get, listened to all lectures I could find. One of the observations from NLP is that behaviours in humans are like computer programs that get installed through habits and language patterns. With this insight, the artificial quality of events in life started to come into clarity for me. This spun me off on my "path to personal spiritual growth" (or whatever).

Occasionally I experience synchronicites, sometimes quite intense but mostly meaningless. It makes impossible for me to dismiss the "mystic" quality the universe. I keep my eyes open for ideas (or maybe answers) but the most of what I find seem somewhat too nutty for me to take seriously, although I'm always fascinated. Thomas Campbell impresses me as he strives to use scientific reasoning in his explanations and a tone that builds credibility.

A discussion in the YT-series about "decision spaces" made me think of trivia board games - where you throw dice, answer questions and move a piece along a course. I was usually unlucky in these sorts of games in that I got impossible questions and never ended up on the lucky-paths on the board. Recently, I thought I'd use my focus and intent to control the game - by "broadcasting" answers into the minds of deserving players, by focusing on the dice and the answers. Controlled breathing, altered state of mind, and "knowing" it was possible. It seemed to work.

I don't remember the rules now exactly but the result was basically streaks of throwing dice, answering, moving the piece to "roll again", moving the piece back one step back, answering, again and again. Many good dice throws and many correctly answered questions but no progress in the game.

It strikes me that this mirrors many experiences in my life. Maybe we could call it "discouraging synchronicity" - when many entirely improbable events unfold in a way to make you miss the train, slip on a banana peel, get on the wrong elevator, spill coffee, and arrive just late enough to fail at whatever was important. Maybe we could call it "divine comedy"; when you finally learn how to play the game, the universe changes the rules just enough to make a point.

Isn't this what people with "limited decision space" experience? The universe traps them by inordinate amounts discouragement to teach them something. Is this a meaningful interpretation?

It also suggests that there is deliberation behind synchronicity, rather than just novelty intended to "wake people up".

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Hi Johan, and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. Have you an interest in reading Tom's books? If so they can be read here: http://books.google.com/books?id=6To090 ... &q&f=false.
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Johan,

Your idea is not without merit. The system can 'jerk your chain' at times. But here decision space is referring to the quality of the consciousness of the entity referred to so that a bacterium floating in a pond has very little decision space but can make some decisions and react in limited ways to its environment. Then a clam has still more decision space. A dog has still more decision space. Up through the line to humans with presumably the greatest decision space around here.

Bette's suggestions as an introduction is good or buy the actual books and read more conveniently than I find with a computer screen. You will find a great deal of information in Tom's books that you will not find elsewhere or on the YouTube site or the other videos available.

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I'd like to hear peoples' current understanding of the synchronicity phenomena...

What is it?
How many kinds are there?
What do they indiacte?
What do they mean?

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Everything happens for a reason. That's my take. :)

I think I may be saying that they don't exist...
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Montana wrote:
I'd like to hear peoples' current understanding of the synchronicity phenomena...

What is it?

We might be aware of a probable future database in some way, and see events unfold as we have sensed them at some deeper level of our being that is not totally clear to our intellect. The system has enough data to calculate the probability of what might happen in the future. We are part of the system.

Perhaps we started this experience packet with an awareness of key moments to watch out for. When we experience these moments things click in a way of reinforcing particular goals we had in mind. It would be helpful to know some of the kinds of challenges you may face, and also to know if you are on par with your goals. This synchronization could be that we are noticing reality meshing up with the statistical probability that is in our deeper awareness.

I think the point is to get your attention as to the nature of reality, and think bigger.

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Personally speaking from my own life, anytime I experience something with synchronicity it is either a little help or a nudge from LCS. I am always amazed by it though.


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Sainbury wrote:
Personally speaking from my own life, anytime I experience something with synchronicity it is either a little help or a nudge from LCS. I am always amazed by it though.
I had the thought go through my head that our entire experience is syncronistic, and that is why it as something "special" might not exist, or is all that exists, see the idea?
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Ted Vollers wrote:
You will find a great deal of information in Tom's books that you will not find elsewhere or on the YouTube site or the other videos available.


Yes, the book trilogy arrived in the mail a few weeks ago.

Within the last one or two weeks three pairs of headphones have had the right ear-piece go dead. Is something trying to tell me that I listen too much to "trash"?

This is one example of how it seems to me that synchronicity is more than just "strangeness" meant to open peoples' eyes. It feels like a "hand" is reaching into reality and pointing to something. If it made a bit more sense, I might believe it.

It seems that there is more intention involved than my own. I understand Tom's idea of decision space. In the same way a billiard ball is free to roll within its "space" - the pool table - its path can also be obstructed by pool queues, other balls and even human hands.

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Searched MBT book text for "synchronicity" and found none.

I thought today about synchronicity and decided that it's not an objective fenomena, it's subjective one.

Based on our mood, on our "energy level", our subconscious mind selects what to put our attention on.

So when we are in a great mood, joyous, our s.c. mind puts our attention at happy things, including 11:11, 777, ect.

When we're in bad mood our s.c. mind just doesn't put our attention at things like that.


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Kostyazen,

If you will search for synchronicity in the board search function with twcjr (Tom Campbell) as the author, you will find nine references. Perhaps one of these links will be useful for your purposes.

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When I think "synchronicity" I also think "co-incidents."
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When I first asked the question, above, about different ways that people conceived of synchronicity, I had handy a long journal entry on the topic. Rather than front load readers, I figured I would ask others first, as I wasn't satisfied with what I had come up with at that point.

The journal entry isn't handy, but I will see here what I can recall, to give an idea.

First, there is the salience threshold .... at what point do you say .... "okay, that's synchronistic!"....? If I go town A and see a black dog with a red bandana, and then later that day in town B see a black dog with a red bandana ... that is probably still below the threshold. If, however, in each case, as I was driving by, I see both dogs lurch free of their owners to chase an orange cat, that would probably be above the salience threshold. If both dog owners were frail, kindly old ladies with blue hair and wearing a black shawl... that would definitely be above the threshold. It is reasonable to say that it is "Z-like" ("Z" being the traditional variable used to describe deviation from the norm ... the greater the absolute value of Z, the less likely for an event to occur ... at Z>3, an event would occur by chance just one time in twenty, if I recall right. Incidentally, those of you that like to have fun with data and perceptual filters, it takes some doing, but you can learn to perceive the world at a level of "Z-scape" where in events going on in your experience stand out primarily as levels of liklihood or not.)

Then, there are the separations in time and or space: as above, the two events (the first, by the way, is the 'reference event', the second is the 'instantiation event', for lack of better terms) are fairly separated in both time and space. Some are separate only in time (same park, different dogs, different hours, say), and others only in space (same park, different dogs, same time).

Then there is the issue of personal relevance: if you see the same 4-digit number twice in a day, say, a phone number and a building number ... well that is beyond one in twenty, probably, but if you are not calling the number nor have any business at the address ... what might that be about? especially if you dial in the local radio station and it turns out to have the same frequency (number). At any rate, synchronistic events have a degree of personal relevance... a synchronistic pair involving, say, owls, would seem to be of more consequence to a person that really liked those kinds of birds, or was fascinated by them, in some way, than, say, a 4 digit number.

Relatedly, some seeming synchronicities are "pre-referenced" in that ... oh, say, someone says "47 is my lucky number" , or "whenever I see a hummingbiird, real or a picture or a figure, I will come across a lost pet of someone's". So that is another variable. Within this group are standing references, as those two mentioned are, or spot-reference events ... as in, and I used to do this often, pre-decide before walking the dog that if on doing so, I saw a cat first, would take one course of action, a dog first, another, and other animal, neither.

Some synchronicites are experienced by just one observer, others, by more than one.

Others appear to indicate a specific meaning: Here: I have lived in Helena for well over a decade. They don't salt the winter streets here because it creates a major problem with the health of streams and rivers here, something that has a high value to the residents. As a consequence, the winter streets are typically hazardously icy. Nasty as they are for pedestrians, I rarely see someone slip and fall. Yet a few years back, while walking to the library, perhaps a mile or so, I saw two women, hundreds of yards and ten minutes apart, slip and fall on their faces, with sufficient effect in both cases to borderline require a doctor's visit. They were both dramatic, both happened exactly when I was looking at them, I was perhaps 20 yards away in both cases. Both women were being escorted by men. Save TV sports, I don't recall ever having seen anyone in my life having fallen on their face. This appears to have been a specific indicator ... yet nothing else transpired. Niether I nor anyone that I knew suffered a 'loss of face'; there was nothing that I could tie this High-Z event to. I still have no clue what that was about. My best guess is that, contrary to new-agey ideology, really high Z random events and event pairs DO occur.

Some Synchronicities indicate a course of action, others don't.

Then the whole business seems somewhat related to omens ... Omens can be like synchronicity in that there is an indefinite salience threshold. These, more than synchronicities, can have an utterly unearthly flavor to them .... Once, on a beach in Bradenton, I looked up and there was a cumulus cloud, pretty much by itself. It looked exactly like some God, in incredible detail ... looking toward the South (which would have been Northern South America), and with great sadness. This had the perceptual impact nearly equal to what it would have had an actually god come floating through. There were hundreds of people on the beach, by the way, and no one else noticed it. I have absolutely no idea what that was about either, and no awareness of some horrible event (I did have the feeling of some sort of injustice going down) happening at that moment, especially that might have been comparable to so many others as has happened there in the 20th century. I looked at 'god' and wondered "What...? What...??!, but was never clued in. So, another reasonable axis to consider is ... how to label it...? Sense of realness, or unrealness, if you prefer. It is related to reality-intensity (in your travels, it is easy to note that some things (including especially beings) appear to be 'more real' or more intensely so, than others).

And then there is the whole business of synchronicity frequency .... this is the only place that I have noted anything like a pattern ... there are some periods in life where they are much more frequent than others. During those periods, I seem to have been much better integrated with some sort of 'mystical flow' where everything seems to go right, or at least, much much better than usual.

More to say, but the post is already a long one.

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johan, your interest in how language has augmented our human experience is a fascinating concept that tom has often discussed. i'm confident you will find some value in the film Maybe Logic about the observations of Robert Anton Wilson, a very thoughtful philosopher versed in buddhism, quantum mechanics Etc. you can watch the documentary here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHTfUOVvBg

i'm not sure if this YT version of the doc runs the end credits but there is a special thanks to tom in them:)

p.s. great post, montana!


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Here comes one recent synchronicity from me.

Almost two years ago I was surfing the internet to read descriptions of upcoming sci-fi movies. One movie got my attention and I thought, I would like to see it when it becomes available. Then after some days I forgot it.

And then again after some months I remembered, there is some movie I would like to see and that it should be on cinemas now. But I had forgotten the name of that movie. So I started surfing the internet, I went through about five sci-fi movie review web-sites, but could not find that movie any more. Oh, I should have kept the bookmark to that site when I first saw it ... but then I thought: well, if this movie is not on reviews then maybe it is not worth watching. I forgot about it again.

Some days ago I went to twcjr44 Youtube channel, started to click some links to see if I can find something interesting. Somehow I ended up on Tom's Facebook page ... and BOOM! he has that movie in his "Movies" section. "The scientist".

If I had found that movie earlier, it would not make so much sense to me - this movie is not a typical sci-fi adventures movie, it's more about experience. I was not yet ready for this movie at that time.

Hmm, maybe that is a nudge "you are on the right track, you are starting to find the things you are looking for, and right when you are ready for them".

Well, that was a set-up, wasn't it? :D

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